Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
Dec 20, 2008 10:12 AM
by Augoeides-222
Morten,
It isn't important whether H.P.B. agreed with Mead. She did mention the Joshua ben Pandira if I recall correctly. But I also seem to recall she did not validate it as truth. It would be nonsense, she understood where that malicious rumor came from. That is not to say that she did not place the time of Jesus earlier as did G R S Mead. But I maintain she never accepted your version.
It isn't a case of HPB being as you say, because everyone in the world that knows this knows that Joshuas ben Pandira is pure bull Morten lol!
And I simply don't accept your akashic recalls as truth. Just my personal prerogative.
G R S Mead is the only Theosophist of Madame Blavatsky's circle that was recognized as a Scholar worldwide then and now and his works are not" well meant friendly ideas and angles" he reports true history that has wide agreement by Scholars all over the world in contrast to your posited ideas. He was personal Secretary to Blavatsky. You should read his works for good facts. Just because The Romans and Rabbis invented false ridicule and reports doesn't make them true, they both had perverse motives. The Romans feared the new religion. The Rabbis hated what they saw as a false messiah and created false reports as a distraction.
Blavatsky is not the final word on all things to me, sorry.
Regards,
John
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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Sure.
John wrote:
"G. R. S. Mead in his survey says it is invalid and was created for the
purpose of ridiclue."
Did H. P. Blavatsky state this view anywhere? Did she not state the quite
opposite and said that it was a - fact - that Jesus (Joshua Pandira) was
born appr. 120 BC.?
Mead was not on the same level as H. P. Blavatsky. Some persons are looking
at the Akasha records instead. And their views are not quite the same as G.
R. S. Mead's wellmeant friendly scholary ideas and angles.
---
Let us at least remember David Pratt's articles on Jesus and the gospels.
They have some interesting and valid content.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm (On Jesus)
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/christian.htm (On the Gospels)
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: <Augoeides-222@comcast.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
Morten,
You seem attached to the Joshua ben Pandera abusive Roman ridicule for
some reason. G. R. S. Mead in his survey says it is invalid and was created
for the purpose of ridiclue. Their version of Joshua ben Pandera ( a
fallacious, false name is that a Roman Centurian had sex with a whore who
conceived and birthed the Christ Child.In that time it was a malicious rumor
used to smear, ridicule and make nothing of this upstart religion of the
early Christians. There are no tangible credible records of the Romans in
regard to Jesus of Nazareth. G. R. S. Mead also wrote "Did Jesus Live 100
B.C.". An inquiry into the Talmudic Jesus stories, the Toldoth Jeschu, and
some curious statements of Epiphanius--- being a contribution to the study
of Christian Origins by G.R.S. Mead B .A. M.R.A.S., 1903.
Also I recommend his "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten" an indispensable
survey recommended by all Religious Scholars , Library of Congress #
60-15310.
Regards,
John
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From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Allright.
Jesus (Jehosua Pandira) was mortal, and Christ was and is not.
I think I got it now.
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: Cass Silva
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
Calleman is saying that the date is 28 October 2011
Cass
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/2012/id/1726
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From: Morten Nymann Olesen <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2008 4:57:20 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
Is there anyone who can help me out, and who understands Christina words in
this thread?
M. Sufillight
----- Original Message -----
From: christinaleestemake r
To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
If you and you think for others, don't understand me; While you don't
understand what masters say on it.That are not my words, I only
citate them.
Christina
-- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@.. .> wrote:
>
> My views are:
>
> Yes?
> And then what?
>
> ---
> I am not sure I and others understand you.
>
>
> M. Sufilight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: christinaleestemake r
> To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
>
>
> Ok as I read in Mahatma Letters, Jesus as mortal like anyone of
us,
> an adept more by his inherent purity and ignorance of real evil,
> than by what he have learned with his initiated rabbis and the
> already (at that period) fast degenerating Eyptian Hierophants
and
> priests. etc
> Letter 59 page 339 Barkers edition 1979
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > The "darkness" mentioned by Blavatsky is about when Jesus
(Joshua
> Pandira) was born and when he taught. Today the Christian Church
is,
> as far as I view it, still in darkness, and a number of those who
> call themselves filled with wisdom are also in darkness, because
they
> find the Bible to be infallible.
> >
> >
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: christinaleestemake r
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> >
> >
> > So what after 33 years? If 1-33 is darkness, is not the whole
> > darkness?
> > Christina
> >
> > /
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
<global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear friends
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > Blavatsky and Master said that Jesus was born in Lod (Lydda)
> year
> > 120 BC.
> > >
> > > W. C. Leadbeater and Annie Besant said 105 BC. And Alice A.
> Bailey
> > wrote a book titled "From Bethlehem to Calvary" saying in this
> book,
> > that "the historical accuracy of His story remains as yet
> unsolved"
> > and "for when He was born at Bethlehem, it was not simply the
> birth
> > of another divine Teacher and Messenger" .
> > >
> > >
> > > Now who is telling the truth?
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > H. P. Blavatsky on the New Testament and Jesus:
> > > "This theory of the seven keys, the Church, according to the
> Abbé
> > Roca, has simplified "without disfiguring it," reducing the
keys
> to
> > three; while, on the contrary, it has fabricated three false
keys
> > which do not open anything. The legend of which I speak is
> founded,
> > as I have demonstrated over and over again in my writings and
my
> > notes, on the existence of a personage called Jehoshua (from
> which
> > Jesus has been made) born at Lüd or Lydda about 120 years
before
> the
> > modern era. And if this fact is denied-to which I can hardly
> object-
> > one must resign oneself to regard the hero of the drama of
> Calvary as
> > a myth pure and simple. As a matter of fact, in spite of all
the
> > desperate research made during long centuries, if we set aside
> the
> > testimony of the "Evangelists, " i.e., unknown men whose
identity
> has
> > never been established, and that of the Fathers of the Church,
> > interested fanatics, neither history, nor profane tradition,
> neither
> > official documents, nor the contemporaries of the soi-disant
> drama,
> > are able to provide one single serious proof of the historical
> and
> > real existence, not only of the Man-God but even of him called
> Jesus
> > of Nazareth, from the year 1 to the year 33. All is darkness
and
> > silence."
> > > (H. P. Blavatsly's Collected Writings, vol. 9, p. 225-6).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > M. Sufilight
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: christinaleestemake r
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World 2012 ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Right, no one can be sure, for we have not been in the time
> Jezus
> > was
> > > born.It was written that he was there long before the
counting
> > > started in the year 1 from our calender
> > >
> > > Christina
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@ >
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not sure what you are getting at Christina
> > > > Cass
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: christinaleestemake r <christinaleestemak er@>
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 10:03:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World 2012 ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I read somewhere Leon wrote to Cass the change in 2012 but
we
> > must
> > > > not forget that our beginning of yearcounting happened 7
> years
> > > after
> > > > Jezus birthday.
> > > > Christina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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