Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00061)

Well, John, it seems that being a prophet, especially political one, 
is one of the most attractive callings which only rare can avoid as 
there are still so many eager and approving ears listening. But I 
have to admit that I sometimes enjoy comparing such speculations.

Warmest regards,
Anton



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Anton,
>   Very nice photographs of the crop circles and well done 
graphics.  An interesting site is a shame people used it for 
political purposes. This just the type of thing that is so galling to 
read and that is exactly what I meant by "garbage". I can't beleive 
that Hoagland let himself be associated with this political tripe!
> 
>  Regards,
> John   
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> Dear John, Morten and all,
> 
> Here is an excellent preview of the history of Crop Circles with 
> additional links to valuable sources:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6juvuf
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> >
> > Morten,
> > Thanks for your comments and reply. I agree Crop Circles are 
> quite fascinating. They certainly are not all the hoaxes of two 
> British unemployed house painters with boards and rope and a weird 
> wire loop on a ball cap. In particular because these two painters 
> couldn't possibly be responsible for Crop Circles here in 
California 
> or Canada or Japan or Germany or Poland and many others places in 
the 
> world.
> > 
> > The first link you posted is interesting to me because it is a 
> direct representation of "Fractal Organization" which indicates 
> Holographic Template of Information in visual representation. there 
> are many Crop Circles that communicate this mode. Some seem to be 
> about Genetics or DNA. Lucy Pringle has done some very nice work in 
> cataloging Crop Circles.
> > I am still waiting for a breakthrough to be made that 
> definitively deciphers the real true meaning of the authentic Crop 
> Circles.
> > I might also add that there are quite a few Crop Circles that 
> actually resemble esoteric Sufi Symbolisms in my personal view.
> > 
> > There were one or two times that stake out teams succeeded in 
> video taping Plasma Sphere's that presented just when the Crop 
Circle 
> began to appear, one that also had a Government Helicopter quickly 
> appear on the scene when it happened. It seems they have some means 
> to monitor or detect the specific presencing of the Plasmoid 
> Intelligences. In the Experiencer case I told you of the 
Experiencer 
> had the repeated presence of a Orange Ball of light on many 
> occassions. When I had opportunity with the Experiencer in 
Projection 
> State I asked the specific question to the "Fella's"
> > "What is the Orange Ball of Light?" I was immediately given a one 
> word response ------------------"DISTEREOISOMER"! well there is a 
> Disclipline in Organic Chemistry that deals with Mirror Image Right 
> and left Handedness of chemical Elements. They describe the Orange 
> Ball of Light as a "Monitor Sphere"that is used to be a recorder of 
> physiological systems of a person and also the mental and 
> consciousness, it is an extension of them in a certain way. They 
> utilize other Spheres as something like giant Hard Disks filled 
with 
> information but are spheres of Light that are sent to other places 
in 
> the cosmos like an emmense update file made of photons. I have 
> personally seen smaller similar objects zipping around the home of 
> one other Experiencer whille he was delivering a communication from 
> them inside his home at the time. I think the Plasmoid Spheres are 
> programmed to create the specific designs on the ground, how they 
do 
> this is not known to our science at present.
> > 
> > I might also add to be fair that there have been lots of Crop 
> Circles that were created intentionally by teams of college 
students 
> who carefully designed , planned how to carry out the 
implementation 
> and execution in a coordinated manner and did so. But none of them 
> were capable of the instantaenious creation that the Plasmoid 
Spheres 
> performed, they produced complete Designs in less than minutes.
> > 
> > There are a few records that indicate that centuries ago forms 
> of crop circles were seen in various places on Earth. 
> > 
> > regards,
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > 
> > Dear John
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Thank your for your to me quite interesting answer.
> > 
> > John wrote:
> > "In some aspects they do mimic in a certain parallel the advanced 
> means of the Mahatma's. Such as the ability to establish the bridge 
> of continuous "Rapport" between their own consciousness and that of 
> their mortal earthly personages that they choose to come into 
contact 
> with. "
> > 
> > My answer:
> > I find that view very interesting to contemplate because it quite 
> appearntly happens in our present time, and not in the past. 
> Cropcirlces are difficult to explain to most people these days 
> without talking about supernatural forces or aliens. They can be 
said 
> to be our present times - NEW - kind of Mahatma Letters, - possibly 
> created by Chelas or possibly Space Chelas. And their vehicles, the 
> UFO's could be said to be just another adding to the game, which 
are 
> allowed because humans have evolved emtionally and mentally.
> > 
> > It is as if somone is saying: Your crops and your attitude 
towards 
> climate changes, the ozone layer etc. are not as important as our 
> prescense, - we telling you to grow up and face extra sensory 
> perception and aliens as a reality.
> > 
> > Some years back the cropcircles could easily be said to be 
created 
> by humans as a prank.
> > But when cropcircles like the following two was created within 
one 
> single night, one, and people in general begin to wonder what is 
> really going on here. Am I right?
> > 
> > Here is a wellknown difficult to explain cropcircle, which was 
> created within a short time:
> > 
> > Posted Aug 20 2001
> > World's Biggest Crop Formation: 400 Circles In 300 Minutes
> > [Original headline: It's the world's biggest crop circle, but can 
> it be a hoax?]
> > http://farshores.org/ufocirc.htm
> > 
> > Crop Circles: Characteristics
> > The crop circle that occurred at Etchilhampton, Wiltshire, in 
1996 
> was considered to be the largest. It was an elongated chain of 
> circles and lines approximately 4100 feet long.
> > http://www.magickalmind.com/cropcircles.htm
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Augoeides-222@ 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > Morten,
> > Yes, there are a great many highly educated , tested , highly 
> trained and competent witnesses who have impeccable credentials and 
> often high command position in the military, civilian and political 
> realms. Much too many to be identified as fringe lunatic, drug 
> culture drop-outs etc. But this realm is 
> > scary to Leaders who are sworn to protect their common public 
> citizens and populations. We are for all practicle purposes 
> defenseless against the alien interventions of consciousness. In 
some 
> aspects they do mimic in a certain parallel the advanced means of 
the 
> Mahatma's. Such as the ability to establish the bridge of 
> continuous "Rapport" between their own consciousness and that of 
> their mortal earthly personages that they choose to come into 
contact 
> with. They can place scenes and reality upon the screen of our 
minds 
> so solidly that for us it is indistinguishable from our normal 
> perception of our daily surround. They can cause time collapse 
> wherein all seems to be in slow motion and also where impossible 
> transits can occur in too short a time for the distance traveled. 
> They can pre-empt verbal origination by answering before you may 
ask 
> the question held in your mind accurately and without hesitation or 
> lag. They can apport objects and change form of objects at will. 
They 
> can pas
> > s through walls or barriers and travel in the air without means 
of 
> support. I learnt that one cannot trust direct perception because 
> once you experience alter-determinism that you know you did not 
> intention or participate in the creation of, it is a kind of rude 
> awakening to alternate realities. I and others in my own car 
traveled 
> 148 miles in just 37 minutes clearly impossible for a Toyota SR-5 
on 
> a California Interstate Highway. But we did calibrate four personal 
> watches and my cars crystal clock when weembarkedd that day on out 
> trip. The entire day was like being in a "Twilight Zone Episode". 
It 
> defied rational explanation.
> > 
> > Certainn originations they gave were somewhat equivelant to 
> Theosophical Maxims:
> > 
> > "Seek not of I-------- seek rather the energy of your own Being---
--
> -and-------- the Space that is about you."
> > 
> > "The right hand extended in Trust--------the left hand extended 
in 
> Love"
> > 
> > "Will you come into the Circle of Unity?"
> > 
> > "In the days that lay ahead there will be a Challenge to Mankind"
> > 
> > "You will be Challenged and you are to Challenge"
> > 
> > They seem to be like a subconscious war between opposing forces 
> with Man in the middle each struggling for control in some 
> experiencer cases.
> > 
> > The great many abduction cases by the Grays have receded and 
today 
> there areonlyy a very few that are happening,, the context has 
> changed and we seemtoo be in a pause of transition. 
> > 
> > A recent Scientific Discovery was announced. Interesting to me as 
> it concerned a star system that was a principal in the case I 
> described recently, "Epsilon Eridani" where the " Tall Nordics" 
> originated from allegedly (BTW "Eridani" means the River and has 
very 
> ancient eppelations " Like the stars of heaven he shall shine----
like 
> the River of the Night he shall flow" one the Nasca Plain where 
Maria 
> Reich spent her life in study of the Ground Glrecommend is a River 
> named Rio Ingenio it means "River of the Super Mind of Genius" , 
> Consciusness itself has been characterized by Madame Blavatsky and 
> the Mahatma's as the Streams of Consciousness:
> > 
> > >>> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/10/nearby-solar-
> sy.html<<<
> > 
> > I recommend the dated but very useful work:
> > 
> > ""Abduction --times in Encounters witlistingns" by Ppageer Prize 
> Winner John E. Mack, M.D. Harvard Psychiatrist, ISBN #0-345-39300-
7, 
> 1994.
> > 
> > Useful also are all the works of Harold T. Wilkins especially 
> his: "Flying Saucers on the Attacks" 
> > 
> > I have a fairly replete library for anyone interested to share.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > "Is there Agreement upon the Land?"
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > Dear John
> > 
> > Thank you for your answer.
> > 
> > My issue with the Disclosure Project, Steven Greer and the people 
> behind it is, that according to my view, there are wat to many 
> welleducated, and persons known to be sane, who claim that they 
have 
> seen something, or have been told something from various 
independant 
> sources about this issue. Persons like Former Canadian Defence 
> Minister Paul Hellyer, 
> > Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Jesse Marcell, John Callahan - Former FAA 
> Division Chief, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Regan, and Rockefeller. And as 
> long as cropcircles are real, and the fact that former astronauts, 
> ministers, presidents, who say they have seen - something, - I find 
> the present attitude in variouse governments quite strange - if not 
> out of line with normal reactions to such a situation.
> > 
> > A question:
> > Can we in a certain say, that the UFO's and Aliens in our day are 
> equvalent to the Mahatma Letters in 19th century?
> > 
> > And what can we learn from this?
> > Should we ignore the fact that numerous persons have seen 
SOMETHING?
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Augoeides-222@ 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > Morten,
> > The "CARET" Technology is completely independent of Whitley 
> Streiber. It was posted and publicizes by an anonymous man calling 
> himself "Isaac" who claims that he worked in the Northern 
> Calififornia Bay arera for a Company that had a secret Project. He 
> posted many photographs and pages of enigmatic information online 
and 
> promised to publish additional materials randomly. The CARET 
objects 
> have been photographed and video taped in several different 
locations 
> in multiple States here in the USA. There are many speculations in 
> all directions about what they are, where they come from, who is 
> source for them. It is uncertain at this date. But they are 
> interesting.
> > 
> > Whitley Streiber had a series on Alien encounters over a 
> considerable period of time in which he was taken by the Grays, the 
> short little aliens similar to the ones in the Betty and Barney 
Hill 
> Encounters, the are alleged to come from the star Zeta Reticuli. 
Not 
> all Grays come from the same star system though. 
> > Streiber was a Fiction Writer and wrote Novels like "Wolfen" 
before 
> his Encounters with the Grays. After his primary encounters he 
> authored "Communion" which tells what happened to him, how he was 
> handled and psychologized, underwent examinations by them. He wrote 
> of his state of mind, his emotional distress, how it effected his 
> life and relations with his wife, family, friends and colleges.
> > Later a movie based on Communion was released but it was not 
> faithful to his own version, they held Propietory License for 
> the "Treatment" which allowed them to change the real facts.
> > Yes , he is Catholic and I do recall he has made some mention of 
> Gurdjieff. He was a website online which he created after buying 
the 
> Rights to the "Dreamland" name from Art Bell the previous 
> > Radio Host who had been for 20 years on Coasttocoastam.com. 
> Google "Whitley Streiber" . Art Bell's regular Sunday Radio Show 
was 
> named "Dreamland" and it was very, very poplular. Dreamland is also 
> one the names used for "Area 51".
> > 
> > As far as I know Dr. Greer has not been a Theosophist formally.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > Is there a clear connection between Withley Strieber and the 
CARET 
> programe on one hand and the Disclosure Project and Steven Greer on 
> the other?
> > 
> > Is it not true that Withley Strieber is a Roman Catholic with 
> Gurdjieff leanings?
> > 
> > - - - 
> > 
> > I asked you: Is Steven Greer at theosophist working for the 
Masters 
> from your point of view?
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > Dear Morten and all,
> > 
> > Here is an interview about the influence of released information 
on 
> > the public from the perspective of one of the bestselling 
novelists 
> > Whitley Streiber:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuGRLfn2tU
> > 
> > And here a piece of suppressed technology:
> > 
> > http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
> > 
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for your answer.
> > > 
> > > Anton wrote:
> > > "They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion."
> > > 
> > > LOL.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have any of you tried:
> > > "ET Contact: Dr. Steven Greer Pt.1 - Pt.12"
> > > (12 short videos with an Interview about Steven Greer's giving 
> his 
> > own biography and work. His out-of-body-experiences as well as 
zero-
> > point energy talks etc. etc.) ?
> > > www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aw64jvyF0
> > > or 
> > 
> 
www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9801/ET_Contact__Dr__Steven_Greer_Pt_
> > 1/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Or his book: "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" ?
> > > 
> > > Is he really a theosophist or working for the masters?
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks John,
> > > 
> > > Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only 
about 
> > 150 
> > > km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were 
> > more 
> > > then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from July 1997 
was 
> > sent 
> > > anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments 
> > on 
> > > the TV - below link
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY
> > > 
> > > that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances 
> > > interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation act 
of 
> > > authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian 
> > military 
> > > to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video 
> > was 
> > > very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these 
> > > rumors are probably true.
> > > 
> > > There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth 
> > > atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as 
> > on 
> > > the Frankfurt airport.
> > > 
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
> > > 
> > > Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing 
> > > turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a 
> > little 
> > > outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.
> > > 
> > > And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for 
the 
> > > Disclosure.
> > > 
> > > Warmest regards,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Morten, Anton,
> > > > Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's 
> > > and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I 
here 
> > > post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 
> > Turkish:
> > > > 
> > > > Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" 
at 
> > the 
> > > bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % 
> > and it 
> > > will not interfere with the Video play)
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
> > > fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object 
was 
> > not 
> > > far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> > > > 
> > > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> > > > 
> > > > Enjoy, regards,
> > > > John
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > > > Dear Anton and all readers
> > > > 
> > > > My views are:
> > > > 
> > > > The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
> > > precognition etc.) 
> > > > seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when 
> > one 
> > > deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental 
> > projects.
> > > > 
> > > > I said in the earlier email:
> > > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> > political, 
> > > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> > seriously 
> > > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> > (clairvoyance, 
> > > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
is 
> > of 
> > > course wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > This leads to the question: 
> > > > Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - 
more - 
> > > forward about this quite - important issue?
> > > > (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) 
Important 
> > > because of various reasons. There are what some will 
> > call "security 
> > > issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought 
> > patterns to 
> > > concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general 
if 
> > > this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, 
> > that a 
> > > great percentage of this planets population - especially in 
> > western 
> > > countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem 
> > quite 
> > > natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries 
> > India 
> > > and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural 
as 
> > > breathing the air.
> > > > 
> > > > As long as various governments and countries for years have 
> > been 
> > > funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be 
> > of 
> > > importance.
> > > > We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a 
> > level, 
> > > ordinary humans cannot.
> > > > We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), 
> > hearing 
> > > aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily 
can 
> > find 
> > > their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We 
> > know, 
> > > that a great number of species never kill each other and that 
> > they 
> > > are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> > > > 
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > > research
> > > > 
> > > > >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on 
> > the 
> > > > issue except because of religious reasons - known as the 
Bible 
> > and 
> > > > fanatical views or egotism?<
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Morten, 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now 
> > known 
> > > > that intelligence community and still more secret agencies 
> > around 
> > > the 
> > > > world ran several secret projects on these topics and that 
> > findings 
> > > > were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present 
to 
> > the 
> > > > people a reality they want that people see. You can not 
expect 
> > that 
> > > > they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> > <global-
> > > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dear Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My views are:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anton wrote:
> > > > > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > > > > American public. "
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> > political, 
> > > > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> > seriously 
> > > > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> > > (clairvoyance, 
> > > > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
> > is of 
> > > > course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in 
> > using 
> > > > time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known 
> > as 
> > > the 
> > > > Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
embryo 
> > > > research
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > 
> > > > > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as 
I 
> > > > don't 
> > > > > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a 
long 
> > > > time. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing 
> > classified 
> > > > > documents but it seems that USA have developed most 
advanced 
> > > > projects 
> > > > > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect 
> > of 
> > > > this 
> > > > > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically 
> > change 
> > > > the 
> > > > > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed 
in 
> > > > next 
> > > > > years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to 
time 
> > I 
> > > > visit 
> > > > > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on 
> > the 
> > > > > American public. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anton,
> > > > > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> > > > having 
> > > > > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in 
the 
> > USA 
> > > > as 
> > > > > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I 
> > made I 
> > > > used 
> > > > > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to 
it 
> > who 
> > > > > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years 
to 
> > > > > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > > > > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His 
> > objective 
> > > > was 
> > > > > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review 
of 
> > the 
> > > > > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems 
> > never 
> > > > > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the 
State 
> > of 
> > > > Utah 
> > > > > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he 
> > adamantly 
> > > > > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over 
my 
> > > > dead 
> > > > > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade 
ago 
> > and 
> > > > he 
> > > > > is still in Office.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did 
> > take 
> > > > > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness 
and 
> > > > > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> > > > attempt to 
> > > > > find the truth about government withholding of information. 
> > Sen. 
> > > > > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in 
the 
> > > > Senate 
> > > > > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun 
> > point 
> > > > when 
> > > > > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. 
President 
> > > > Jimmy 
> > > > > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > > > > information made public. He was instructed he did not 
possess 
> > > > > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow 
> > him to 
> > > > be 
> > > > > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > > > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the 
open 
> > > > > sunshine. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes 
from 
> > > > > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 
> > 40 
> > > > > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr 
UFO's, 
> > > > > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects 
with 
> > a 
> > > > > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host 
> > for 
> > > > the 
> > > > > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> > > > book "Communion." 
> > > > > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > > > > extraterrestials.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > usa as regards ufo
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In my opinion the key information here is that there 
exists 
> > one 
> > > > > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > > > > governments 
> > > > > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to 
> > courageous 
> > > > > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is 
really 
> > > > going 
> > > > > on, 
> > > > > > while it is up to each of us to form our own 
understanding 
> > > > > comparing 
> > > > > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's 
> > mind 
> > > > open.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > > > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> > > > theosophists 
> > > > > > in this interview is that there are going on important 
> > changes 
> > > > on 
> > > > > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the 
> > passage 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to 
> > solve 
> > > > our 
> > > > > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and 
> > innovative 
> > > > > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in 
the 
> > UFO 
> > > > > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks 
of 
> > it 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > present time. There are so many Astronomical 
Observatory's 
> > in 
> > > > many 
> > > > > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily 
> > squash 
> > > > > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob 
Dean 
> > and 
> > > > > would 
> > > > > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > > > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication 
and 
> > > > Orbital 
> > > > > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> > > > describes 
> > > > > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of 
Nibiru 
> > > > > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes 
a 
> > > > close 
> > > > > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times 
in 
> > > > every 
> > > > > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the 
> > Constellational 
> > > > > Zodiac). 
> > > > > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. 
> > If 
> > > > you 
> > > > > > Google his name you will find his several websites that 
> > related 
> > > > his 
> > > > > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> > > > Senmut 
> > > > > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he 
> > extracts 
> > > > from 
> > > > > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity 
of 
> > the 
> > > > 12th 
> > > > > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting 
> > study to 
> > > > > show 
> > > > > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> > > > ancients 
> > > > > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his 
> > webpages.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that 
the 
> > > > 12th 
> > > > > > Planet may have made close approach during the second 
> > middle 
> > > > period 
> > > > > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have 
shown 
> > the 
> > > > > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the 
> > andesite 
> > > > > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of 
> > man a 
> > > > > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that 
prevailed 
> > > > > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 
12th 
> > > > Planets 
> > > > > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and 
> > rain of 
> > > > > it's 
> > > > > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial 
> > dragon 
> > > > > belching 
> > > > > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's 
battle 
> > > > with 
> > > > > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered 
and 
> > his 
> > > > body 
> > > > > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis 
> > unable to 
> > > > > find 
> > > > > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor 
> > satellite 
> > > > the 
> > > > > fled 
> > > > > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > > > > catastrophe. 
> > > > > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards, 
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview 
> > videos.
> > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
> > <silva_cass@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the 
> > apes 
> > > > and 
> > > > > not 
> > > > > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-
human 
> > > > embryo 
> > > > > > > research
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they 
didn't 
> > in 
> > > > > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and 
> > its 
> > > > > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 
> > years...this 
> > > > > could 
> > > > > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. 
> > com.au> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> > embryo 
> > > > > research
> > > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> > > > legislation 
> > > > > > > allowing 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> > > > research, 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two 
decades.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life 
groups, 
> > MPs 
> > > > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology 
and 
> > > > > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and 
> > could 
> > > > be 
> > > > > law 
> > > > > > by 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > November.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for 
> > months, 
> > > > would 
> > > > > > > also 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a 
close 
> > > > genetic 
> > > > > > > match 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic 
material 
> > can 
> > > > help 
> > > > > > > treat 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women 
easier 
> > > > access 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > in-
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> > > > requirements 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was 
> > about 
> > > > > > helping 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility 
> > assistance, 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > about 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, 
> > which 
> > > > > affects 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a 
> > human 
> > > > cell 
> > > > > > > into 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of 
> > stem 
> > > > cells 
> > > > > > for 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > use in research into treating conditions like 
> > Alzheimer's 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful 
> > diseases 
> > > > and 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many 
in 
> > our 
> > > > > > society 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> > > > framework 
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of 
the 
> > > > > measures, 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> > > > Fraser 
> > > > > has 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit 
> > from 
> > > > > embryo 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > research.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, 
including 
> > > > former 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> > > > government 
> > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups 
> > warned 
> > > > it 
> > > > > was 
> > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition 
Conservative 
> > > > Party, 
> > > > > > told 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation 
raised 
> > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding 
> > between 
> > > > > > humans 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > and animals.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> > > > course of 
> > > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as 
the 
> > > > > > possibility 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she 
> > said.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all 
> > sides 
> > > > that 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> > > > abortion 
> > > > > > laws. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current 
bill 
> > was 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > right 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > > > > 
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