Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00058)

Anton,
  Very nice photographs of the crop circles and well done graphics.  An interesting site is a shame people used it for political purposes. This just the type of thing that is so galling to read and that is exactly what I meant by "garbage". I can't beleive that Hoagland let himself be associated with this political tripe!

 Regards,
John   

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
Dear John, Morten and all,

Here is an excellent preview of the history of Crop Circles with 
additional links to valuable sources:

http://tinyurl.com/6juvuf

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
>
> Morten,
> Thanks for your comments and reply. I agree Crop Circles are 
quite fascinating. They certainly are not all the hoaxes of two 
British unemployed house painters with boards and rope and a weird 
wire loop on a ball cap. In particular because these two painters 
couldn't possibly be responsible for Crop Circles here in California 
or Canada or Japan or Germany or Poland and many others places in the 
world.
> 
> The first link you posted is interesting to me because it is a 
direct representation of "Fractal Organization" which indicates 
Holographic Template of Information in visual representation. there 
are many Crop Circles that communicate this mode. Some seem to be 
about Genetics or DNA. Lucy Pringle has done some very nice work in 
cataloging Crop Circles.
> I am still waiting for a breakthrough to be made that 
definitively deciphers the real true meaning of the authentic Crop 
Circles.
> I might also add that there are quite a few Crop Circles that 
actually resemble esoteric Sufi Symbolisms in my personal view.
> 
> There were one or two times that stake out teams succeeded in 
video taping Plasma Sphere's that presented just when the Crop Circle 
began to appear, one that also had a Government Helicopter quickly 
appear on the scene when it happened. It seems they have some means 
to monitor or detect the specific presencing of the Plasmoid 
Intelligences. In the Experiencer case I told you of the Experiencer 
had the repeated presence of a Orange Ball of light on many 
occassions. When I had opportunity with the Experiencer in Projection 
State I asked the specific question to the "Fella's"
> "What is the Orange Ball of Light?" I was immediately given a one 
word response ------------------"DISTEREOISOMER"! well there is a 
Disclipline in Organic Chemistry that deals with Mirror Image Right 
and left Handedness of chemical Elements. They describe the Orange 
Ball of Light as a "Monitor Sphere"that is used to be a recorder of 
physiological systems of a person and also the mental and 
consciousness, it is an extension of them in a certain way. They 
utilize other Spheres as something like giant Hard Disks filled with 
information but are spheres of Light that are sent to other places in 
the cosmos like an emmense update file made of photons. I have 
personally seen smaller similar objects zipping around the home of 
one other Experiencer whille he was delivering a communication from 
them inside his home at the time. I think the Plasmoid Spheres are 
programmed to create the specific designs on the ground, how they do 
this is not known to our science at present.
> 
> I might also add to be fair that there have been lots of Crop 
Circles that were created intentionally by teams of college students 
who carefully designed , planned how to carry out the implementation 
and execution in a coordinated manner and did so. But none of them 
were capable of the instantaenious creation that the Plasmoid Spheres 
performed, they produced complete Designs in less than minutes.
> 
> There are a few records that indicate that centuries ago forms 
of crop circles were seen in various places on Earth. 
> 
> regards,
> John
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> 
> 
> Dear John
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Thank your for your to me quite interesting answer.
> 
> John wrote:
> "In some aspects they do mimic in a certain parallel the advanced 
means of the Mahatma's. Such as the ability to establish the bridge 
of continuous "Rapport" between their own consciousness and that of 
their mortal earthly personages that they choose to come into contact 
with. "
> 
> My answer:
> I find that view very interesting to contemplate because it quite 
appearntly happens in our present time, and not in the past. 
Cropcirlces are difficult to explain to most people these days 
without talking about supernatural forces or aliens. They can be said 
to be our present times - NEW - kind of Mahatma Letters, - possibly 
created by Chelas or possibly Space Chelas. And their vehicles, the 
UFO's could be said to be just another adding to the game, which are 
allowed because humans have evolved emtionally and mentally.
> 
> It is as if somone is saying: Your crops and your attitude towards 
climate changes, the ozone layer etc. are not as important as our 
prescense, - we telling you to grow up and face extra sensory 
perception and aliens as a reality.
> 
> Some years back the cropcircles could easily be said to be created 
by humans as a prank.
> But when cropcircles like the following two was created within one 
single night, one, and people in general begin to wonder what is 
really going on here. Am I right?
> 
> Here is a wellknown difficult to explain cropcircle, which was 
created within a short time:
> 
> Posted Aug 20 2001
> World's Biggest Crop Formation: 400 Circles In 300 Minutes
> [Original headline: It's the world's biggest crop circle, but can 
it be a hoax?]
> http://farshores.org/ufocirc.htm
> 
> Crop Circles: Characteristics
> The crop circle that occurred at Etchilhampton, Wiltshire, in 1996 
was considered to be the largest. It was an elongated chain of 
circles and lines approximately 4100 feet long.
> http://www.magickalmind.com/cropcircles.htm
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@... 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> Morten,
> Yes, there are a great many highly educated , tested , highly 
trained and competent witnesses who have impeccable credentials and 
often high command position in the military, civilian and political 
realms. Much too many to be identified as fringe lunatic, drug 
culture drop-outs etc. But this realm is 
> scary to Leaders who are sworn to protect their common public 
citizens and populations. We are for all practicle purposes 
defenseless against the alien interventions of consciousness. In some 
aspects they do mimic in a certain parallel the advanced means of the 
Mahatma's. Such as the ability to establish the bridge of 
continuous "Rapport" between their own consciousness and that of 
their mortal earthly personages that they choose to come into contact 
with. They can place scenes and reality upon the screen of our minds 
so solidly that for us it is indistinguishable from our normal 
perception of our daily surround. They can cause time collapse 
wherein all seems to be in slow motion and also where impossible 
transits can occur in too short a time for the distance traveled. 
They can pre-empt verbal origination by answering before you may ask 
the question held in your mind accurately and without hesitation or 
lag. They can apport objects and change form of objects at will. They 
can pas
> s through walls or barriers and travel in the air without means of 
support. I learnt that one cannot trust direct perception because 
once you experience alter-determinism that you know you did not 
intention or participate in the creation of, it is a kind of rude 
awakening to alternate realities. I and others in my own car traveled 
148 miles in just 37 minutes clearly impossible for a Toyota SR-5 on 
a California Interstate Highway. But we did calibrate four personal 
watches and my cars crystal clock when weembarkedd that day on out 
trip. The entire day was like being in a "Twilight Zone Episode". It 
defied rational explanation.
> 
> Certainn originations they gave were somewhat equivelant to 
Theosophical Maxims:
> 
> "Seek not of I-------- seek rather the energy of your own Being-----
-and-------- the Space that is about you."
> 
> "The right hand extended in Trust--------the left hand extended in 
Love"
> 
> "Will you come into the Circle of Unity?"
> 
> "In the days that lay ahead there will be a Challenge to Mankind"
> 
> "You will be Challenged and you are to Challenge"
> 
> They seem to be like a subconscious war between opposing forces 
with Man in the middle each struggling for control in some 
experiencer cases.
> 
> The great many abduction cases by the Grays have receded and today 
there areonlyy a very few that are happening,, the context has 
changed and we seemtoo be in a pause of transition. 
> 
> A recent Scientific Discovery was announced. Interesting to me as 
it concerned a star system that was a principal in the case I 
described recently, "Epsilon Eridani" where the " Tall Nordics" 
originated from allegedly (BTW "Eridani" means the River and has very 
ancient eppelations " Like the stars of heaven he shall shine----like 
the River of the Night he shall flow" one the Nasca Plain where Maria 
Reich spent her life in study of the Ground Glrecommend is a River 
named Rio Ingenio it means "River of the Super Mind of Genius" , 
Consciusness itself has been characterized by Madame Blavatsky and 
the Mahatma's as the Streams of Consciousness:
> 
> >>> http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/10/nearby-solar-
sy.html<<<
> 
> I recommend the dated but very useful work:
> 
> ""Abduction --times in Encounters witlistingns" by Ppageer Prize 
Winner John E. Mack, M.D. Harvard Psychiatrist, ISBN #0-345-39300-7, 
1994.
> 
> Useful also are all the works of Harold T. Wilkins especially 
his: "Flying Saucers on the Attacks" 
> 
> I have a fairly replete library for anyone interested to share.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> "Is there Agreement upon the Land?"
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> 
> Dear John
> 
> Thank you for your answer.
> 
> My issue with the Disclosure Project, Steven Greer and the people 
behind it is, that according to my view, there are wat to many 
welleducated, and persons known to be sane, who claim that they have 
seen something, or have been told something from various independant 
sources about this issue. Persons like Former Canadian Defence 
Minister Paul Hellyer, 
> Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Jesse Marcell, John Callahan - Former FAA 
Division Chief, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Regan, and Rockefeller. And as 
long as cropcircles are real, and the fact that former astronauts, 
ministers, presidents, who say they have seen - something, - I find 
the present attitude in variouse governments quite strange - if not 
out of line with normal reactions to such a situation.
> 
> A question:
> Can we in a certain say, that the UFO's and Aliens in our day are 
equvalent to the Mahatma Letters in 19th century?
> 
> And what can we learn from this?
> Should we ignore the fact that numerous persons have seen SOMETHING?
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Augoeides-222@... 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> Morten,
> The "CARET" Technology is completely independent of Whitley 
Streiber. It was posted and publicizes by an anonymous man calling 
himself "Isaac" who claims that he worked in the Northern 
Calififornia Bay arera for a Company that had a secret Project. He 
posted many photographs and pages of enigmatic information online and 
promised to publish additional materials randomly. The CARET objects 
have been photographed and video taped in several different locations 
in multiple States here in the USA. There are many speculations in 
all directions about what they are, where they come from, who is 
source for them. It is uncertain at this date. But they are 
interesting.
> 
> Whitley Streiber had a series on Alien encounters over a 
considerable period of time in which he was taken by the Grays, the 
short little aliens similar to the ones in the Betty and Barney Hill 
Encounters, the are alleged to come from the star Zeta Reticuli. Not 
all Grays come from the same star system though. 
> Streiber was a Fiction Writer and wrote Novels like "Wolfen" before 
his Encounters with the Grays. After his primary encounters he 
authored "Communion" which tells what happened to him, how he was 
handled and psychologized, underwent examinations by them. He wrote 
of his state of mind, his emotional distress, how it effected his 
life and relations with his wife, family, friends and colleges.
> Later a movie based on Communion was released but it was not 
faithful to his own version, they held Propietory License for 
the "Treatment" which allowed them to change the real facts.
> Yes , he is Catholic and I do recall he has made some mention of 
Gurdjieff. He was a website online which he created after buying the 
Rights to the "Dreamland" name from Art Bell the previous 
> Radio Host who had been for 20 years on Coasttocoastam.com. 
Google "Whitley Streiber" . Art Bell's regular Sunday Radio Show was 
named "Dreamland" and it was very, very poplular. Dreamland is also 
one the names used for "Area 51".
> 
> As far as I know Dr. Greer has not been a Theosophist formally.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@...> 
> Is there a clear connection between Withley Strieber and the CARET 
programe on one hand and the Disclosure Project and Steven Greer on 
the other?
> 
> Is it not true that Withley Strieber is a Roman Catholic with 
Gurdjieff leanings?
> 
> - - - 
> 
> I asked you: Is Steven Greer at theosophist working for the Masters 
from your point of view?
> 
> M. Sufilight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Anton Rozman 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
research
> 
> Dear Morten and all,
> 
> Here is an interview about the influence of released information on 
> the public from the perspective of one of the bestselling novelists 
> Whitley Streiber:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYuGRLfn2tU
> 
> And here a piece of suppressed technology:
> 
> http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
> 
> Warmest regards,
> Anton
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your answer.
> > 
> > Anton wrote:
> > "They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion."
> > 
> > LOL.
> > 
> > 
> > Have any of you tried:
> > "ET Contact: Dr. Steven Greer Pt.1 - Pt.12"
> > (12 short videos with an Interview about Steven Greer's giving 
his 
> own biography and work. His out-of-body-experiences as well as zero-
> point energy talks etc. etc.) ?
> > www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aw64jvyF0
> > or 
> 
www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/9801/ET_Contact__Dr__Steven_Greer_Pt_
> 1/ 
> > 
> > 
> > Or his book: "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" ?
> > 
> > Is he really a theosophist or working for the masters?
> > 
> > M. Sufilight
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Anton Rozman 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> research
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks John,
> > 
> > Good footages. I already see the last one as Aviano is only about 
> 150 
> > km from my home. In the period February-April 1997 there were 
> more 
> > then 150 sightings in that area. This footage from July 1997 was 
> sent 
> > anonymously to ufo specialist, professor Chiumento. He comments 
> on 
> > the TV - below link
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJNqwe6LHY
> > 
> > that it is too clear to be true and that in such circumstances 
> > interviews with witnesses are most important confirmation act of 
> > authenticity. There are rumors that it was done by Italian 
> military 
> > to actually cover up the real activity there. And as this video 
> was 
> > very much promoted on Silvio Berlusconi's TV "Italia Uno" these 
> > rumors are probably true.
> > 
> > There are a lot of NASA footages made by Shuttle outside earth 
> > atmosphere and one can see that there is almost such traffic as 
> on 
> > the Frankfurt airport.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0jpUPLqLhA
> > 
> > Therefore theosophical perspective of Mahatmas as still wearing 
> > turbans and living in Tibetan valley is from my perspective a 
> little 
> > outdated. They are for sure acquainted with the latest fashion.
> > 
> > And Morten, yes, UN would be most probably the best place for the 
> > Disclosure.
> > 
> > Warmest regards,
> > Anton
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Morten, Anton,
> > > Well I think a short frolic in the sudsy giddy realm of UFO's 
> > and such might be in order in regard to recent comments so I here 
> > post three excellent UFO Video's for perusal 1 Italian and 2 
> Turkish:
> > > 
> > > Rize' deki Shapshifter forest UFO Turkey
> > > 
> > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5W3buftf9o<<<
> > > 
> > > Sirius UFO Center Video Turkey (you may use the "magnifier" at 
> the 
> > bottom right corner on the Windows Taskbar to enlarge to 200 % 
> and it 
> > will not interfere with the Video play)
> > > 
> > > >>>http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?
> > fx=sayfa_ac&url=html/english/kumburgaz_2008.asp<<<
> > > 
> > > Italian River UFO (this possibly man made Technology object was 
> not 
> > far from Aviano AFB where the USA has a large presence)
> > > 
> > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyQu5Zx8xw&feature=related<<<
> > > 
> > > Enjoy, regards,
> > > John
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@> 
> > > Dear Anton and all readers
> > > 
> > > My views are:
> > > 
> > > The issue Extra Sensory Perception (clairvoyance, telepathy, 
> > precognition etc.) 
> > > seem quite often to be the most important one to tackle when 
> one 
> > deals with Ufos, aliens and various socalled governmental 
> projects.
> > > 
> > > I said in the earlier email:
> > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> political, 
> > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> seriously 
> > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> (clairvoyance, 
> > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL is 
> of 
> > course wrong.
> > > 
> > > This leads to the question: 
> > > Why are not more leaders in the power structure coming - more - 
> > forward about this quite - important issue?
> > > (The United Nations could be a good place to start.) Important 
> > because of various reasons. There are what some will 
> call "security 
> > issues" involved. There are the huge the shift in thought 
> patterns to 
> > concider among politicians, journalists, and people in general if 
> > this issue should prove it self to be true. And when we know, 
> that a 
> > great percentage of this planets population - especially in 
> western 
> > countries - are interested in the subject, the questions seem 
> quite 
> > natural to forward. I believe that in the spiritual countries 
> India 
> > and Tibet they find Extra Sensory Perception to be as natural as 
> > breathing the air.
> > > 
> > > As long as various governments and countries for years have 
> been 
> > funding projects to research the issue, the question seem to be 
> of 
> > importance.
> > > We know, that a Dog for instances can smell and hear on a 
> level, 
> > ordinary humans cannot.
> > > We have microscopes, telescopes, radio telescopes (SETI), 
> hearing 
> > aids, glasses etc. We know, that various animals very easily can 
> find 
> > their way home when compared to humans stranded in the wild. We 
> know, 
> > that a great number of species never kill each other and that 
> they 
> > are peaceful vegetarians, who are not polluting the planet.
> > > 
> > > M. Sufilight
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > research
> > > 
> > > >So why are they - so very much - reluctant in using time on 
> the 
> > > issue except because of religious reasons - known as the Bible 
> and 
> > > fanatical views or egotism?<
> > > 
> > > Dear Morten, 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if I fully understand your question. It is now 
> known 
> > > that intelligence community and still more secret agencies 
> around 
> > the 
> > > world ran several secret projects on these topics and that 
> findings 
> > > were and are amply used in various fields mainly to present to 
> the 
> > > people a reality they want that people see. You can not expect 
> that 
> > > they will come forward saying: We are fooling you!
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Anton
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
> <global-
> > > theosophy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Anton
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > My views are:
> > > > 
> > > > Anton wrote:
> > > > "I wonder what impact has these stories on the 
> > > > American public. "
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks. I find this to be a good question.
> > > > 
> > > > Saying that no people at all in power structures like 
> political, 
> > > military, security agencies, journalism etc etc. are not 
> seriously 
> > > considering the possiblity of extrasensory perception 
> > (clairvoyance, 
> > > telepathy, precognition etc.) being something actual and REAL 
> is of 
> > > course wrong. So why are they - so very much - reluctant in 
> using 
> > > time on the issue except because of religious reasons - known 
> as 
> > the 
> > > Bible and fanatical views or egotism?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > M. Sufilight
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: Anton Rozman 
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:13 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human embryo 
> > > research
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi John,
> > > > 
> > > > It seems that Dr. Greer has somehow stopped his activity as I 
> > > don't 
> > > > see any new things on Disclosure Project web site for a long 
> > > time. 
> > > > 
> > > > Governments in Europe and Russia are now disclosing 
> classified 
> > > > documents but it seems that USA have developed most advanced 
> > > projects 
> > > > out of contacts. And I think that the most important aspect 
> of 
> > > this 
> > > > whole story is suppressed technology. It would radically 
> change 
> > > the 
> > > > world. There are rumors that it will be gradually realesed in 
> > > next 
> > > > years.
> > > > 
> > > > I have heard some interviews on Coasttocoast and time to time 
> I 
> > > visit 
> > > > the web site and I wonder what impact has these stories on 
> the 
> > > > American public. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anton
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Anton,
> > > > > Yes, I am well aware of the topic of governmental secrecy 
> > > having 
> > > > had a interest as well as experience for decades here in the 
> USA 
> > > as 
> > > > regards UFO and Paranormal events. In one TV Production I 
> made I 
> > > used 
> > > > the Magic Papers in certain parts just to expose people to it 
> who 
> > > > would view the program. Dr. Steven Greer worked for years to 
> > > > assemble a large congregation of Military, Scientists, 
> > > > Professionals, Airline Pilots and many Witnesses. His 
> objective 
> > > was 
> > > > to have our Congress open Hearings and give serious review of 
> the 
> > > > assembled evidences. The problem is that it will it seems 
> never 
> > > > happen. As long as a certain Senator Orrin Hatch of the State 
> of 
> > > Utah 
> > > > Chairs the Justice Committee in the U. S. Senate. he 
> adamantly 
> > > > refuses to even entertain the proposal and even said "Over my 
> > > dead 
> > > > body" before it will happen! That was more than a decade ago 
> and 
> > > he 
> > > > is still in Office.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In our lower body, the House I think a single Hearing did 
> take 
> > > > place many years ago to no avail of the cause of openness and 
> > > > honesty in regards to UFO's. Several major Politicians did 
> > > attempt to 
> > > > find the truth about government withholding of information. 
> Sen. 
> > > > Barry Goldwater of Arizona holding strong Chairmanship in the 
> > > Senate 
> > > > even went to Wright-Patterson AFB and was repelled at gun 
> point 
> > > when 
> > > > he insisted upon entering the legendary Hangar 18. President 
> > > Jimmy 
> > > > Carter made public promise to do all he could do to get the 
> > > > information made public. He was instructed he did not possess 
> > > > the "Need to Know" and had insufficient clearance to allow 
> him to 
> > > be 
> > > > briefed on what they denied they had. 
> > > > > And Area 51and all the rumors cannot be placed in the open 
> > > > sunshine. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Probably the most listened to radio talk on UFO comes from 
> > > > http://coasttocoastam.com which has a listenership of about 
> 40 
> > > > million each night. 7 days a week. Much of it isaboutr UFO's, 
> > > > Experiencers, Paramormal and many other unique subjects with 
> a 
> > > > plethora of popular guests. Tonight 10-24-08 the Guest Host 
> for 
> > > the 
> > > > Program is Whitley Streiber who wrote the famous 
> > > book "Communion." 
> > > > It was the vehicle for his own personal experiance with the 
> > > > extraterrestials.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > usa as regards ufo
> > > > > 
> > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you very much for your views. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my opinion the key information here is that there exists 
> one 
> > > > > another reality which was purposely hidden from us by our 
> > > > governments 
> > > > > and controlled agencies and media. So, it is up to 
> courageous 
> > > > > insiders to provide us their perspective on what is really 
> > > going 
> > > > on, 
> > > > > while it is up to each of us to form our own understanding 
> > > > comparing 
> > > > > various sources. It is really good training to keep one's 
> mind 
> > > open.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You can find inteviews with very reliable people on:
> > > > > http://www.projectcamelot.org/
> > > > > 
> > > > > But, in my view, even more important message for us as 
> > > theosophists 
> > > > > in this interview is that there are going on important 
> changes 
> > > on 
> > > > > this world and that we can largely contribute that the 
> passage 
> > > will 
> > > > > be less painful and more peaceful. If we will be able to 
> solve 
> > > our 
> > > > > inner disagreements in a fraternal, constructive and 
> innovative 
> > > > > manner we will do our best service to the humanity.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Warmest regards,
> > > > > Anton
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > Well Bob Dean is a relatively respected personage in the 
> UFO 
> > > > > Arena but I can't see the basis for Nibiru as he speaks of 
> it 
> > > in 
> > > > > present time. There are so many Astronomical Observatory's 
> in 
> > > many 
> > > > > different nations, some of which would not necessarily 
> squash 
> > > > > knowledge of the presence of Niburu as related by Bob Dean 
> and 
> > > > would 
> > > > > surely make public announcement. 
> > > > > > There is according to Paval Smutny a former NASA Space 
> > > > > Scientist, who specialized in Deep Space Communication and 
> > > Orbital 
> > > > > Mechanics as his primary NASA work an ancient record that 
> > > describes 
> > > > > it. He, in his personal studies relates a history of Nibiru 
> > > > > (Nemesis, Phaeton, 12th Planet etc.) where it only makes a 
> > > close 
> > > > > approach proximate to the Earth a small number of times in 
> > > every 
> > > > > Solar Year (25,920 Years ( or 1 Cycle of the 
> Constellational 
> > > > Zodiac). 
> > > > > Pavel Smutny now lives in Slovakia if I recall correctly. 
> If 
> > > you 
> > > > > Google his name you will find his several websites that 
> related 
> > > his 
> > > > > findings in regard to Nibiru. Also Google Dendara and the 
> > > Senmut 
> > > > > Temple, and The Darmer Pallete. In his description he 
> extracts 
> > > from 
> > > > > the Egyptian record the approach , path and periodocity of 
> the 
> > > 12th 
> > > > > Planet. He has, in my view one of the most interesting 
> study to 
> > > > show 
> > > > > actual 12th Planet supported by alledged knowledge of the 
> > > ancients 
> > > > > which he thoroughly diagrammatically presents on his 
> webpages.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I in my own view, have entertained a possibility that the 
> > > 12th 
> > > > > Planet may have made close approach during the second 
> middle 
> > > period 
> > > > > of Tiahuanacu (15,450 BC ) as Bellamy and Allen have shown 
> the 
> > > > > catastrophic record of the passage engravened upon the 
> andesite 
> > > > > artifacts of Tiahuanacu. This occasion set in the mind of 
> man a 
> > > > > subconscious memory of the traumatic terror that prevailed 
> > > > > consequential to the passage and capture of one of the 12th 
> > > Planets 
> > > > > Minor satellites and it's eventual disintetagration and 
> rain of 
> > > > it's 
> > > > > pieces on the earth and is portrayed as the celestial 
> dragon 
> > > > belching 
> > > > > fire and brimstone in the sky. The story of Osiris's battle 
> > > with 
> > > > > Typhon (the forces of space) and his being dismembered and 
> his 
> > > body 
> > > > > parts scattered on the earth, with the lamenting Isis 
> unable to 
> > > > find 
> > > > > his "organ" of regeneration (the core of the minor 
> satellite 
> > > the 
> > > > fled 
> > > > > into space when relieved of it's outer shells during the 
> > > > catastrophe. 
> > > > > Osiris was a Lunar Diety figure of the Egyptians..
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards, 
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > PS: Thanks for the Bob Dean links for his interview 
> videos.
> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > > > > > From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@> 
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maybe here is a little bigger picture:
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Anton
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva 
> <silva_cass@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also it will prove that we are the ancestors of the 
> apes 
> > > and 
> > > > not 
> > > > > > the other way around - can you expand on the heliosphere
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Cass
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: Martin <Mvandertak@>
> > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 23 October, 2008 7:03:37 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> > > embryo 
> > > > > > research
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I wonder if the Solar Lords will dig this, they didn't 
> in 
> > > > > > Atlantis...the sun is btw very quiet at the moment and 
> its 
> > > > > > heliosphere has shrunk more than 25% the last 25 
> years...this 
> > > > could 
> > > > > > mean part destruction of this earth by cosmic fire.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. 
> com.au> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > From: nhcareyta <nhcareyta@yahoo. com.au>
> > > > > > > Subject: Theos-World British MPs back animal-human 
> embryo 
> > > > research
> > > > > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Britain's lower house of parliament has approved 
> > > legislation 
> > > > > > allowing 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical 
> > > research, 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > the biggest shake-up of embryology laws in two decades.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, 
> MPs 
> > > in 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > House of Commons today backed the Human Embryology and 
> > > > > > Fertilisation 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bill by 355 votes to 129. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It will now go to a vote in the House of Lords, and 
> could 
> > > be 
> > > > law 
> > > > > by 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > November.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The wide-ranging bill, which has been debated for 
> months, 
> > > would 
> > > > > > also 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > allow "saviour siblings" - children created as a close 
> > > genetic 
> > > > > > match 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > for a sick brother or sister so their genetic material 
> can 
> > > help 
> > > > > > treat 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In addition, it gives lesbians and single women easier 
> > > access 
> > > > to 
> > > > > in-
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment by removing 
> > > requirements 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > clinics to consider a child's need for a father.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Health Minister Dawn Primarolo told MPs the bill was 
> about 
> > > > > helping 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > the one in seven couples who needed fertility 
> assistance, 
> > > and 
> > > > > about 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > research to deal with diseases such as Alzheimer's, 
> which 
> > > > affects 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 350,000 Britons.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hybrid embryos, created by inserting the nuclei of a 
> human 
> > > cell 
> > > > > > into 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > an animal egg, can ensure a more plentiful supply of 
> stem 
> > > cells 
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > use in research into treating conditions like 
> Alzheimer's 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Parkinson's.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "It is about research to deal with the dreadful 
> diseases 
> > > and 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > debilitating attacks on their health from which many in 
> our 
> > > > > society 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > suffer," the minister told MPs.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "The bill is about combining science with an ethical 
> > > framework 
> > > > > that 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > works on behalf of humankind."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown is a strong defender of the 
> > > > measures, 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > saying Britain owes it to future generations. His son 
> > > Fraser 
> > > > has 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > cystic fibrosis, a disease that could one day benefit 
> from 
> > > > embryo 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > research.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > However, 16 MPs from his ruling Labour party, including 
> > > former 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > minister Ruth Kelly, a staunch Catholic who quit the 
> > > government 
> > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > month, voted against the bill and religious groups 
> warned 
> > > it 
> > > > was 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > next step on a "slippery slope".
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Nadine Dorries, a member of the opposition Conservative 
> > > Party, 
> > > > > told 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > her fellow MPs that loopholes in the legislation raised 
> the 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > possibility of scientists attempting cross-breeding 
> between 
> > > > > humans 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > and animals.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Of all the experimental possibilities debated in the 
> > > course of 
> > > > > > this 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > bill, surely none is quite so utterly repulsive as the 
> > > > > possibility 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > seeking to inseminate animals with human sperm," she 
> said.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The debate was overshadowed by complaints from all 
> sides 
> > > that 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > government had blocked a discussion on reforming the 
> > > abortion 
> > > > > laws. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ministers suggested they did not think the current bill 
> was 
> > > the 
> > > > > > right 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > time to do this.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -AFP
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