Theos-Talk Archives (November 2008 Message tt00062)

Anton,
   Thanks for your comments and reply. Actually the Government in exile at Dharmasala in India has exhibited good Democratic character now contrasted  to what was the norm before the Chinese invaded Tibet, in my opinion. The Gelugpa had suppressed many other Tibetan Buddhist Sects and had destroyed their Temples, Scripture, and even the Monks in the past. They were not the picture of Democracy towards their brethren. Now in Dharmasala the Dalai Lama has set in gear a high level of facilitation and assistance even to the most abhorrent sects like the Ancient Pre-Buddhist Buddhist Bon whom they helped in the transference of the very considerable spiritual Literature and legacy objects of the Bon now safely extradited from the grasp of the atheistic Chinese government. The Dalai Lama has managed to facilitate the same help for the Kagyu, and other important Tibetan Branches of Buddhism and they have now preserved their Legacy Literature and Reliquaries that were smuggled out of Tibet,
 all the while facing great danger of grave reprisals from the Chinese. Many have come to America fullfiling an ancient prophecy regarding the "Migration of the Swans" America is bloomed with many Tibetan Temples from coast to coast of the different Tibetan Sects. Tibet lives and is alive here. They seem to be thriving and happy to be here.

   The Dalai Lama, due to the Chinese Reprisal and kidnaping of the Tashi Lama at Shigatse who was the True Spiritual Leader of Tibet had the Tashi Lama's Official Duties and Role laid in his lap out of expediency. That set the condition whereby the Dalai Lama was necessitated to wear both hats. Prior to the suppressive Chinese action to deprive Tibet of it's Spiritual Leader the Dalai Lama performed the historical norm, that of the "Adminsitrative Leader" of Tibet. Now one wonders why no one remembers the Tashi Lama.

    Recently China and Russia arrived at the final settlement of the only remaining border dispute between the two nations with Russia handing over to the Chinese previously fought for and coveted territory and land. Now a new cooperation of the two is begun and a new railroad spur to link to Russian fuel resource is to be accomplished. China has an ambitious appetite for land and territories and the menu is known.
   India has recently forcefully requested that the Dharmasala Exile Tibetan Government  restrain any rash action that may agitate India's relations with China.

Solve et coagula, nations appear and disolve, only to return with new garb in new places.

 Regards,
John


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From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> 
John,

Once I heard a commentary that Dalai Lama should organize his 
Government in exile on democratic principles, so that it could become 
appropriate party in talks with other governments, with that of China 
included. As spiritual leader he simply was not in a position to 
efficiently help Tibetan people on the political level. In addition, 
China is huge country and probably already one of the leading 
economic powers, so that Tibetan fight for autonomy is probably 
really lost. But it is really sad to see how additional unnecessary 
pain is imposed to ordinary people while some wolves are rejoicing. 

Warmest regards,
Anton

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
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> Anton,
> Interesting, I've never heard of "Shugden" until I viewed the 
video, so I learnt something worth knowing, thanks. These types of 
things are basically a traditon that can be found in most Religions. 
The Nicene Library of the Early Church Fathers teams with the 
polemics against the Gnostic of all types, and today there are a 
plethora of individualized Christian sects.. In Islam mainstream 
adherents refuse to sanctify the Sufi, and of course there is huge 
historic divisive separation between the Sunni and the Shiite. In 
Judaism there are the Traditional and the Reform branches. Buddhism 
has the Hinayana and Mahayana, the Tibetan branch and others. This 
isn't the first time a Dalai Lama repressed a non-Gelugpa sect in 
Tibet if you have read the origins. Declaring anathema is a tradition 
in religions lol!
> 
> I don't have a lot of enthusiasm for beating a dead horse 
(Tibetan Tibet). a couple years ago the Dalai Lama announced to the 
world that he recognized the Legal possession of Tibet by China and 
that Tibet is now irrevocably and inseparably Chinese. I was 
astonished to hear him do this. I oppose the China expansionist 
grab of Tibet based upon the marriage of a Chinese Princess to the 
Monarch of Tibet many centuries ago. The Dalai Lama after recognizing 
Tibet is China now campaigned for "autonamous self rule" by 
Tibetans "under" Chinese Rule. The Chinese refused and instead using 
a most popular tactic that the Soviets used with success began 
repopulating Tibet with Han Chinese, soon the Tibetans will be a 
minority in their former country. The Dalai Lama made his 
capitulation in regards to his former country from the podium of the 
United Nations. The United Nations formally recognizes that Tibet is 
now China. Most nations also do the same. The USA also recognizes 
Tibet is China 
> now. Go on Google Earth and enter "Tibet" you will not go there, 
there is no border of Tibet any more only the Chinese expanded 
border. look and recent world maps there is no Tibet anymore to be 
found on them. Buy a World Almanac where is Tibet? It is very sad to 
me personally. But reality and the facts are indisputable.
> 
> The Soviet transferred russian populations to Ukriane, Georgia 
and many other states that were under thier hand and it is a 
continueing friction remaining now as seen on the stage of the world.
> 
> The Chinese are doing the same thing in regard to Taiwan 
(Formosa), China never actually claimed Taiwan at any time during 
all the Dynasties of China, the Island was occupied by aboriginals 
and pirates and thiefs for tyhe entire history of China and no 
Emporer dared to attempt to occupy it due to the large dangerous 
population. Only when Mao came did China claim Taiwan was part of 
China. And the world beleived him.
> 
> Regards,
> John 
> 
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> From: "Anton Rozman" <anton_rozman@...> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> Here is an article about latest Dalai Lama's statements:
> http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-36157220081026
> 
> Clarifications on H.H. the Dalai Lama's Remarks
> http://www.dalailama.com/news.300.htm
> 
> It seems that this is a reaction to what seems to be an 
orchestrated 
> attack on his authority in last months:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ykbVSyxyA
> 
> Best regards,
> Anton
> 
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