Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00231)

At least kept the GS out of trouble.

mkr


On 5/6/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net> wrote:
>
>   I belive none of them did want this kind of a mess, and didnt really
> think about the consequenses of emailing all those things they did.
>
> One of our former general secretaries got his interpreter with him in
> Australia in World Congress.
> BUt I was told years later that it slowed down a meeting so much that it
> is not recommended
> to have interprter in meeting.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MKR
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Elections - Radha Burnier's Letter - Some
> Observations
>
> It would be a good idea to take with them someone who can act as an
> interpreter. Miscommunicatin is very easy when one does not know the
> language well with all its nuances. No one wants to be misinterpreted and
> get into trouble.
>
> You are right. GS should be very careful what they write or say. They can
> be
> misinterpreted and misquoted.
>
> mkr
>
> On 5/6/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have also emaila and called to our present general secretary and
> > former
> > saying that general secretary must know that much english tha he/she can
> > participate to
> > GC meetings and share knoweldge with members in section he/she
> represents.
> >
> > I have seen some slow improvement, but there is still something I wish
> to
> > be done more openly.
> > But I belive this presidential election has be quite an experience and
> > general secretaries must be
> > more carefull what they will email or even say.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MKR
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Elections - Radha Burnier's Letter - Some
> > Observations
> >
> > Noted.
> >
> > Internet is here to stay and is going to move the power from
> > organizational
> > leaders to members.
> >
> > Let us wait and see.
> >
> > Ramadoss
> >
> > On 5/6/08, Jokela Petri <jokelap@dnainternet.net<jokelap%40dnainternet.net>
> <jokelap%40dnainternet.net>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good points you bring out.
> > > Though Didn´t bro Oliveira say that
> > > someone (Richard Linneman) copied Radha´s letter
> > > and spread it around the world emailing it?
> > >
> > > We should change our three objects:
> > >
> > > 1) Politic before brotherhood ( in brotherhood those are first who
> live
> > > only in India and travels around the world when it gets hot)
> > > 2) Advise people to study politics rather than wisdoms
> > > 3) Try to increase powers of human being which helps us to get the
> > > position of the most high in TS - no matter how - energy of the mother
> > > Nature is blind - use it - abuse it - use internet!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Govert Schuller
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Elections - Radha Burnier's Letter - Some
> > > Observations
> > >
> > > Radha's statement, per Pablo Sender, that she "had sent that letter
> only
> > > to
> > > a few people that asked her about her opinion" does not square with
> > > Oliveira's statement in his timeline that the letter was addressed "to
> > all
> > > General Secretaries of the TS, stating her personal views about the
> > > nomination process and highlighting the importance of Presidents of
> the
> > TS
> > > to reside at Adyar."
> > >
> > > Are we talking about the same letter here?
> > >
> > > March 12, 2008 letter by Radha Burnier
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/43516
> > >
> > > Three possibilities:
> > >
> > > 1) The letter was private. Therefore it's unproblematic. It's her
> > opinion
> > > to
> > > which she's entitled with her friends and she might be right.
> > >
> > > 2) The letter was to all General Secretaries intended as a response to
> > Ms.
> > > Carbonell's letter, to which Burnier was entitled as Oliveira points
> > out:
> > > "Mrs Radha Burnier, about
> > > whom some presumptions were made in Ms Carbonell's letter to some
> > General
> > > Council members, of necessity, as is her right, has had to state her
> > > position and her ntentions in relation to the forthcoming election for
> > > international President."
> > >
> > > 3) The letter was to all General Secretaries expressing her position.
> If
> > > so,
> > > then it was electioneering and therefore sufficient grounds for
> General
> > > Secretaries to respond and/or protest.
> > >
> > > Which is the case?
> > >
> > > Govert
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Noel vasco" <nenqueteba2000@yahoo.com.ar<nenqueteba2000%40yahoo.com.ar>
> <nenqueteba2000%40yahoo.com.ar>
> > <nenqueteba2000%40yahoo.com.ar>
> > > >
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World TS Elections - Radha Burnier's Letter - Some
> > > Observations
> > >
> > > These is a statement of Pablo Sender On theosophy Forum...
> > > Dont be liar MKR. We should not be thankful to see a letter forwarded
> > > without consent.
> > > "Hi all,
> > >
> > > Radha told me she had sent that letter only to a few people that asked
> > her
> > > about her opinion. But then some of them forwarded it without her
> > consent.
> > > She didn't want to campaign. As a result she now refuses to answer to
> > any
> > > question saying that she has nothing to add. Fortunatelly John was
> able
> > to
> > > manage not to enter in other's people controversy.
> > > As usual, the problem is caused by those who, in their
> over-zealousness
> > > get
> > > things mixed up, because now several members with no official
> > > responsibilities feel they have the right to write their opinions,
> > forward
> > > private letters, etc. Of course they have, but that shows me that we
> > are,
> > > generally speaking, not mature enough, and that the laws of the world
> > > still
> > > rule on us. "
> > >
> > > ----- Mensaje original ----
> > > De: MKR <mkr777@gmail.com <mkr777%40gmail.com> <mkr777%40gmail.com>
> <mkr777%40gmail.com>>
> > > Para: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> 40yahoogroups.com><theos-talk%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>; theos-l <
> > > theos-L@yahoogroups.com <theos-L%40yahoogroups.com> <theos-L%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <theos-L%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>>;
> > > THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY <theosophist@webtv.net <theosophist%40webtv.net><theosophist%
> 40webtv.net><theosophist%
> > 40webtv.net>>
> > > Enviado: martes 6 de mayo de 2008, 16:12:22
> > > Asunto: Theos-World TS Elections - Radha Burnier's Letter - Some
> > > Observations
> > >
> > > We all should be thankful for seeing Radha Burnier's letter dated
> March
> > > 12,
> > > 2008 on the Internet. We all should be grateful to Radha Burnier for
> > > writing
> > > the letter. Some may have not noticed its importance. It provided
> > critical
> > > information to members.
> > >
> > > It is in that letter we found out what the real plans of Algeo are.
> > While
> > > we
> > > saw a 78 year old man's vision (most effective visions are from young
> > men
> > > and women in 20s and 30s; go and look at world's history) on his
> > website,
> > > his specific intentions/plans/ situation are covered by
> generalizations.
> > >
> > > Radha Burnier's letter states:
> > >
> > > "Dr. Algeo who is around 78, does not like the climate here, nor can
> he
> > > leave the United States for more than a short time, in view of his
> > wife's
> > > condition. I believe that if elected he intends to work largely from
> > > America
> > > through e-mail and video conversations. "
> > >
> > > I have not seen any disputation of the above from Algeo or his
> > surrogates.
> > >
> > > Some old-timers (who are used to keeping things unnecessarily secret)
> > were
> > > surprised to see the letter on the Internet. If Radha Burnier had
> > intended
> > > the letter to be private, it would have been marked "PRIVATE". So no
> one
> > > should be surprised to see it on the Internet. Anything put in writing
> > may
> > > surface on Internet.
> > >
> > > All the important messages on the election can be found at the link at
> > the
> > > end of this msg.
> > >
> > > We all should be thankful to Internet and those who setup the
> maillists
> > > and
> > > the author of the link below. But for the Internet, the election would
> > > have
> > > been over long time ago.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN TRUTH
> > >
> > > http://teozofija. info/Teozofsko_ gibanje/Election s_2008.htm
> > >
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Encuentros.
> > >
> > > Ahora encontrar pareja es mucho más fácil, probá el nuevo Yahoo!
> > > Encuentros
> > > http://yahoo.cupidovirtual.com/servlet/NewRegistration
> > >
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