Theos-Talk Archives (May 2008 Message tt00080)

I see now you are showing your true colours Anand, if you are going to flame Krishnamurti, then you also need to do the same with HPB as she, according to your criteria, must have failed, as her teachings are in variance with your gurus Besant and Leadbeater
  Cass
  Anand wrote: In the name of Jesus I destroy demonic influence of J. Krishnamurti' s speeches on the world.
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> In the name of Jesus I restore faith of people in great spiritual teaching of Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater.


adelasie <adelasie@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
          Anand,

With all due respect to your right to your own opinion, it is 
important to me that another point of view be represented here. One 
of the most salient principles by which the theosophist is taught to 
live is non-judgementalism. No one of us has the right to judge 
another. We do not know the other's heart. We do not know the other's 
Karma. We may find the way by asking ourselves sincerely, "How would 
I feel if someone said these things about me?" The answer will 
determine, by the application of the Golden Rule, whether to refrain 
from making the statement or not. In this case it seems quite clear. 
You are talking about someone who is gone from this plane and cannot 
respond to your allegations. You are talking about someone who was an 
inspirational teacher for many. And, you are trampling on some pretty 
tender ground, when you say, as if you or anyone could possibly know, 
that Krishmamurti failed on the path. It would be more to the point 
for a theosophist to show compassion for this soul who had a rather 
difficult path to follow. However, most important here is that the 
new student, someone who has possibly just joined this list, be able 
to see another side of the issues you have raised, and learn one of 
the best lessons of Theosophy, to think for him or herself.

Adelasie

On 3 May 2008 at 16:46, ANAND GHOLAP wrote:

> Dear Friends,
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> Below is my article on Failure of J. Krishnamurti on the Path of Occultism.
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> After some time it will be available on my web site at this address.
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> www.AnandGholap.net/Failure_Of_J_Krishnamurti.htm
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> On the path of occultism there are some aspirants who fail. Virtues like truthfulness, love, kindness must be developed to very high degree in order to succeed in occultism. If these qualities are less, person fails on the path of occultism. J. Krishnamurti is example of such failure. 
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> In Bible, one can read, how one spirit rebelled against God and 
created doubt about God and His teaching in the minds of Adam and 
Eve. J. Krishnamurti's speeches are of similar nature. According to 
him all great teachers and their teachings corrupt minds of people. 
J. Krishnamurti does not have any respect for even great teachers 
like Lord Jesus Christ. Anybody who reads J. Krishnamurti's speeches 
will notice that J. Krishnamurti did not have knowledge of what is 
written by other spiritual teachers, what is written in religions. 
Also one can notice that J. Krishnamurti did not have capacity to 
investigate hidden laws of nature, he was not clairvoyant or 
occultist. So there is no originality or original, new knowledge in 
J. Krishnamurti's speeches. This shows that he did not have capacity 
to study writings of other teachers, and he himself also did not have 
capacity to find laws of nature. All philosophy of Krishnamurti is 
based on one principle- to attack teachings of other great teachers. 

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> According to J. Krishnamurti all great teachers corrupt minds of people, and their teaching is harmful to people. This idea of J. Krishnamurti is ridiculously wrong. It is like saying that if a person is not taught anything, he will be better person. What J. Krishnamurti is saying is uneducated tribal man is better than the educated scientist who discovers solutions to solve problems of humanity. What Krishnamurti is saying is person who never studied any relegion or spiritual teaching is more virtuous than person who studies religions. This is highly misleading and damaging to humanity. Most people on earth, at present stage of evolution are selfish and have all the vices instinctively. And only way to keep them on the path of virtues is to teach them importance of virtues and bad consequences of vices. Lord Jesus Christ, Theosophy and such great teachings do exactly that. And such teaching is absolutely necessary to make people virtuous, loving, kind, truthful. 
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> J. Krishnamurti attacked teaching of great spiritual teachers. One might think that demonic, evil spirit had taken his possession and made him talk against holy teachers and their teachings. According to Christianity people are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. And Krishnmurti's whole philosophy is intended to destroy faith of people in Godly things, teaching of prophets and saints. When C.W. Leadbeater found J. Krishnamurti, he had expected that J. Krishnamurti would become vehicle for Christ. But this experiment failed miserably. J. Krishnamurti neither understood Theosophy, nor any other teaching. What he could do was only destroy faith of people in all great spiritual and religious teaching. 
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> C. W. Leadbeater was a great occultist who successfully guided tens of thousand of people in spiritual development. He prepared great Theosophists like C. Jinarajadasa and G. S. Arundale. C. W. Leadbeater could not prepare Krishnamurti because of big weakenesses J. Krishnamurti had. 
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> Krishnamurti's speeches did much damage to great organization Theosophical Society, Adyar. This damage was done in many ways. Members of TS lost faith in Theosophy because of J. Krishnamurti's speeches. Some officers in TS believed Krishnamurti's speeches are Theosophy. These officers misled many ordinary members of TS and removed faith of members from teaching of Annie Besant and Leadbeater. These officers misled ordinary members of TS by telling them that Krishnamurti's speeches are Theosophy.
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> Krishnamurti also did much damage to great religions like Christianity. Large number of people lost faith in Christianity because of Krishnamurti's speeches against religions.
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> Krishnamurti talks about instant knowing of Truth. According to Krishnamurti person knows Truth instantly without long preparation. But the fact is in last 70 years also none came forward and said that he knew Truth by following Krishnamurti's methods.
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> According to Krishnamurti following Spiritual Master or Guru is harmful and people should not follow any Spiritual Masters. Facts prove that Krishnamurti was wrong here also. History of thousands of years is filled with testimonies of self-realized people about how Spiritual Masters or Gurus helped spiritual development of disciples.
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> According to J. Krishnamurti spiritual teaching, reading books on spirituality corrupt minds of people. Facts prove that J. Krishnamurti is wrong. There are tens of thousands of testimonies about how Bible and other spiritual books helped people greatly in spiritual development.
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> J. Krishnamurti failed on the path of occultism and he misled people by removing their faith in great Spiritual Teachers and Theosophy. What people should do now is completely ignore Krishnamurti's speeches and continue studying good spiritual teaching given by great Theosophists like Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater.
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> Readers will get references about J. Krishnamurti or Alcyone in Theosophical literature. These references may be read in order to understand how Krishnamurti was being prepared for higher spiritual growth. J. Krishnamurti later failed. So what he spoke independently should be completely ignored. His speeches are damaging to people.
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> In the name of Jesus I destroy demonic influence of J. Krishnamurti's speeches on the world.
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> In the name of Jesus I restore faith of people in great spiritual teaching of Annie Besant and C. W. Leadbeater.
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> Anand Gholap
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