Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01297)

Konstantin,

I have to accept that those who believe that a man who abuses 
children (having confessed so according to the very Adyar 
Historians) can indeed be a true "disciple of the Masters" -- these 
people will also believe anything they are told to. 

Including that C. W. Leadbeater went to Mars and Mercury and so 
their physical civilizations;  that Leadbeater talked to "Lord 
Christ"; and, of course, that Leadbeater talked to "Master the 
Count".

All evidences pointing to aything different are "psychologically" 
denied. 

As the great Mark Twain said, and his sentence was quoted by Al Gore 
in Gore's recent book on our planet ("An Inconvenient Truth")  ---

"Denial is much more than just a river in Egypt..."
 

Regards,  Carlos. 



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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Konstantin Zaitzev" 
<kay_ziatz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I mention her to say that even Leadbeatearians admit
> > St. Germain as such was no Adept in his 18th century body.
> 
> It doesn't follow from this that those who aren't leadbeaterians
> should think likewise.
> 
> >> "First of all, the deeds of an adept are beyond our 
understanding."
> 
> > This, Konstantin, is one of the gravest lies planted by CWL
> 
> We needn't to resort to works of Leadbeater for such a conclusion.
> While average human beings like us are guided by lower manas,
> the adepts are guided by their buddhi or even higher principle.
> Blavatsky somewhere mentioned that a mahatma isn't an earthly
> man but atma-buddhi-manas or somewhat like that. So it's just
> logical that lower manas cannot take into consideration the
> motives which drive adepts.
> 
> That's an example:
> 
> "This state of hers (HPB) is intimately connected with her
> occult training in Tibet...
> the seven principles in the complete human being. Now, no man
> or woman, unless he be an initiate of the fifth circle, can
> leave the precincts of Bod-Lhas and return back into the world
> in his integral whole if I may use the expression. One at least
> of his seven satellites has to remain behind for two reasons;
> the first to form the necessary connecting link, the wire of
> transmission the second as the safest warranter that certain
> things will never be divulged. She is no exception to the rule..."
> Mahatma Letters, 26.
> 
> In many other places they are preaching ethics and altruism,
> and in the same time they don't trust HPB, who gave all her life
> for their cause, and submit her such a degrading and despising
> procedure of mortgage! Not unlike the story of Faust, if not
> worse. Compared to them even Leadbeater with all his real and
> ascribed sins looks almost like a saint. So if we still hold
> the opinion that the ethics preached in other places isn't just
> a mere hipocricy, we have to admit that their principles of
> work surpass human understanding.
> 
> > Study the Mahatma Letters and you will see
> 
> Yes, I've studied them enough :)
> 
> > The theosophical movement, Konstantin, was not created for
> > blind belief.
> 
> Yet there are many people who believe both in that the quoted
> letter is genuine and that the mahatmas are altruistic. How is
> it so? The psychical research, OOBE and spiritualism are quite
> another thing. Here we can apply scientific method and find out
> which assertion made in theosophical literature are true.
> 
> > You should study St. Germain's biographies by Isabel Cooper 
Oakley
> 
> Of course, I've read it.
> Yet it doesn't mean a thing if we took into consideration the
> story about picture which Blavatsky tells in "From the Caves
> and Jungles of Hindostan". Unfortunately it was removed from
> the abridged version of the translation which is available
> online. I've heard about some other translation but I have not
> checked it. From this story plainly follows that the adept
> while living in the same body more than a century ago was involved
> into politics. It's in chapter 30.
>