Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01311)

All we know is 
"I (HPB) was the first in the United States to bring the existence of our Masters into publicity; and exposed the holy names of two Members of a Brotherhood hiterto unknown to Europe and America (save to a few Mystics and Initiates of every age) yet sacred and revered throughout the East, and especially in India" (Letter to Colonel Olcott, December 6,1887.
"Master sent me to the United States to see what could be done to stop necromancy and the unconscious black magic exercised by Spiritualist.  I was made to meet you and to change your ideas, which I have.(Letter to Colonel Olcott, December 6,1887.

Master Koot Hoomi writes in 1880, "The Chiefs want a 'Brotherhood of Humanity,' a real Universal Fraternity started; an institution which would make itself known through the workd and arrest the attention of the highest minds." And Again in 1881: "The present tidal wave of phenomena, with its varied effects upon human though and feeling, made the revival of theosophical enquiry an indispensable necessity.

If this decision was never made, I imagine that neither I nor you, would have had any idea of Masters or Mystics, and now not 100 years later, we presume to know who is initiated!

"A Chela is a person who has offered himself to a master as a pupil to learn practically the "hidden mysteries of nature and the psychichal powers latent in man"  To offer oneself as a candidate for Chelaship is easy enough, to develop into an Adept the most difficult task any man could undertake"  5 Years of Theosophy.

Cass

carlosaveline <carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:                                  Konstantin,
 
 1) You write: 
 
 "She [Clara Codd]  could be mistaken. At least, she followed Leadbeater closely, and  if you don't believe him, you have no reasons to believe her."
 
 Of course she followed Leadbeater, and I mention her to say that even Leadbeatearians admit St. Germain as such was no Adept in his 18th century body. 
 
 2) You write: 
 
 "First of all, the deeds of an adept are beyond our understanding."
 
 This, Konstantin, is one of the gravest lies planted by CWL in the movement. This is the seed for dogmatic ritualism and blind belief.  Study the Mahatma Letters and you will see the Masters making strenuous and brilliant efforts to make their actions understood even by aspirants to lay discipleship, which anyone of us can be.  One cannot understand ALL they do, but we can undertand their actions with regard to us -- this is perfectly OK and it preserves our autonomy. 
 
 This sentence, "the deeds of an adept are beyond our understanding", is absolute poison planted by Leadbeater.  
 
 This is the same as believing the Christian dead letter about "Virgin Mary".  This is believing that we cannot critically examine Leadbeater's pedophily, or clairvoyance and all that.  
 
 Please kindly think about that and put truth above attachments. You are the one who will loose by placing personal attachments above truth. 
 
 The theosophical movement, Konstantin, was not created for blind belief.
 
 The Masters work for the conscious, free, autonomous birth of Buddhi-Manas in human consciousness.  It is the Vatican, in Rome or in Adyar, that works for blind belief and ritualistic domination of masses. 
 
 In time, the less some people know, the more emphatic they are,  sometimes. Take care lest that happens  to you.  
 
 You should study St. Germain's biographies by Isabel Cooper Oakley and Jean Overton Fuller, as many did,  before risking to say St. Germain did not mix with public/political life!!! 
 
 Regards, 
 
 Carlos.   
 
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 Data:Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:36:18 -0000
 
 Assunto:Theos-World Re: St. Germain Not an Adept Yet?!
 
 > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
 > wrote:
 > > see Clara Codd's book for example, that St. Germain as 18th
 > > century incarnation was not a full Adept.
 > 
 > She could be mistaken. At least, she followed Leadbeater closely, and 
 > if you don't believe him, you have no reasons to believe her.
 > 
 > > The reason for that is that an Adept is outside short term human 
 > karma
 > 
 > First of all, the deeds of an adept are beyond our understanding.
 > 
 > > Masters explain that if Disciples were not Autonomous and
 > > Responsible for their own actions, the Karma would belong to 
 > > their Teachers, and not to them.
 > 
 > Yes, thus wrote Master in his letter to his beloved pupil Leadbeater 
 > ;)
 > Nevertheless, this letter was about progress and karma of the 
 > disciple, it not touched the deeds which Master does himself.
 > 
 > > St. Germain, who strongly interacted with political, public
 > > and social issues, was not an Adept.
 > > The incarnation in which an Initiate will get the decisive 
 > > initiation needs to be a new one. 
 > 
 > It's just an assumption, not the inference.
 > For example, Blavatsky describes how she had seen an old picture of a 
 > Master involved into political activity. She recognized him, as he had 
 > the same body as he had in her time.
 > A century or two ago he could be not an adept or he could be an adept 
 > ? I don't know, but surely he lived in the same body.
 > 
 > So St. Germain could. Moreover, he wasn't a politician, he just 
 > consulted influential persons. Exactly as later the Masters consulted 
 > Sinnett in his projects with Pioneer and Phoenix which had 
 > some political purport.
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