Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01296)

Carl,

Thanks for your honest posting.

You ask: 

"But then tell me, Carlos. Why is the ULT so negative about Hargrove?
Hence Pasadena and ULT do not agree a bit about what happened 
between 1905 and 1909, it's not easy to find out the truth."

I say:

Your sources might be outdated. And these questions are side-issues of scarce real importance now for the movement as a whole. 

On the other hand, I guess you will see a balanced, thoughtful and insightful approach to these problems in Ernest Pelletier's book "THE JUDGE CASE". You really should read this book,  which contains and constitutes a library of information.

Pelletier, a Canadian author who is with the Edmonton Theosophical Society,  is, I guess, very sympathetic towards Hargrove. You can see that by yourself.  Yet his views are very serene and balanced, and the Edmonton Theosophical Society has, to say the least, lots of things in common with the ULT,  and many a mutual help mechanism with ULT associates.   

Except for one or two people interested in manipulating and exaggerating past differences and past unfortunate events, you will not find many HPB students interested in denying one central and basic fact. 

The basic fact is that  the common Teaching which unites all groups of HPB/Masters students is immensely greater, wider and more luminous, as a factor,  than those issues in which these groups think differently.

Only the differences between HPB/Masters students and Leadbeater's false clairvoyance and ritualism (which are at psychiatrically linked to CWL's  pedophily and to his self-importance "initiate" delusions) -- only  these differences are in fact irreconcilable.  

I hope you can see that.  

We all have a vast field in common, from G. Farthing readers and many other Adyar members,  to the Pasadena TS, the ULT, the Edmonton Theosophical Society, the Point Loma Groups, and distinguished theosophists as Richard Robb, or José Ramón Sordo's excellent "Fundación Blavatsky" in Mexico, etc., and so on. 

That is my sincere answer to your question. 

Regards,   Carlos. 


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Data:Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:31:28 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: The Birth of the ULT

> Carlos,
> 
> I don't know how wrote it ether, but my question was if there is any 
> thru in it. But maybe there is a way to find out. To look in The 
> Theosophical Quaternaly for this years.
> But then tell me, Carlos. Way is the ULT so negative about Hargrove?
> Hence Pasadena and ULT do not agree a bit about what happened 
> between 1905 and 1909, it's not easy to find out the truth.
> 
> You wrote:
> "Anyway, that which unites Hargrove's students and Crosbie's , and 
> Purucker's,
> and Point Loma's, and Pasadena students is far more important, these 
> days, that
> that which is different in them.
> 
> All of them recognize HPB/Masters as their source, and as time 
> passes the common
> "Ocean of Theosophy" will unite them all among them, and also to 
> Adyar TS
> students of classical Theosophy."
> 
> I support you there, but way is this not the opinion of ULT?
> 
> I have Tenbroeck's text, but haven't read it for many years. And how 
> do know this is correct anyway?
> 
> Carl
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> > 
> > I don't know who writes for "Wikipedia" on this issue and takes 
> this illusory vision. Do you know? 
> > 
> > You have a correct version on the birth of the ULT from Dallas 
> Tenbroeck's
> > text "Biographical Notes on Robert Crosbie". Let me know if you 
> don't have it. 
> > 
> > Anyway, that which unites Hargrove's students and Crosbie's , and 
> Purucker's, and Point Loma's, and Pasadena students is far more 
> important, these days, that that which is different in them. 
> > 
> > All of them recognize HPB/Masters as their source, and as time 
> passes the common "Ocean of Theosophy" will unite them all among 
> them, and also to Adyar TS students of classical Theosophy. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:43:07 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World The origin of ULT?
> > 
> > > The origin of ULT?
> > > 
> > > Yesterday I fund this on Wikipedia:
> > > 
> > > "In 1906 or 1907 the Theosophical Society in America (Hargrove) 
> gave 
> > > Robert Crosbie a deed of foundation to found a lodge in Los 
> Angeles. 
> > > Hargrove can thus be seen as an obstetrician to the United Lodge 
> of 
> > > Theosophists."
> > > 


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