Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00955)

Jake,  

Thanks for your comments below.

Especially interesting are your observations
which read:
 
> I don't think there are any bonafide ESs, but 
> individuals here an there around the world, 
> some maybe in ESs, some not.  Most not 
> Theosophists.  Purucker was "trying" too.  
> He may have not been "sent" as a messenger, 
> but if someone wants to make a big effort, 
> who's to stop them, and if they are going 
> the right way, they probably get some help 
> once in a while.

More on some of this later.

Daniel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Mark Jaqua <proto37@...> wrote:
>
> DES, etc.
>   
> Dan,
>     I don't care what the DES did, is doing, 
> has thought. I'm not a member and far as 
> I can see they aren't bothering anybody.  
> Capitalizing "She" and "He" when refering 
> to anybody is a bit too much for me.  The 
> world, including ES groups, is such an 
> inconceivable mass of errors and illusions 
> and self-illusions, it is impossible for 
> any Teacher to get a handle on it and apply 
> any type of direction.  As soon as one error 
> is corrected, a dozen more jump in to take 
> its place.  The idea is to "try" is one is 
> so disposed, and Crosbie was trying.  I 
> don't think there are any bonafide ESs, but 
> individuals here an there around the world, 
> some maybe in ESs, some not.  Most not 
> Theosophists.  Purucker was "trying" too.  
> He may have not been "sent" as a messenger, 
> but if someone wants to make a big effort, 
> who's to stop them, and if they are going 
> the right way, they probably get some help 
> once in a while.
>   
> Karen:  It seems you have been going 
> through some very bad times, and in the 
> nature of cycles, we can hope that gradually 
> the cycle changes, and things go for the 
> better and inner resolution.  On "GOD":  
> I'm not a member of any Theosophical organization, 
> and one doesn't have to be a Blavatsky-style 
> Theosophist to be a member of the Adyar TS.  
> Blavatsky's teaching however, was that there 
> isn't any personal God that one can pray to.  
> Its a principle, not a being.  The only 
> 'god' is the god within ones own heart, 
> one's own connection or atma, or monad, and 
> connection or portion of the spiritual 
> source of all.  The Key to Theosophy is a 
> good basic book on Theosophical philosophy.
>   
>                - jake j. 
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>   <15. To Jake:  A Claim Made by DES
>     Posted by: "danielhcaldwell" danielhcaldwell@... 
> danielhcaldwell
>     Date: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:51 am ((PST))
>   <Jake,
>   <As you probably know now, Gregory Tillett wrote:
>   =====================================================
> <The DES claimed to be on "the original lines" of the ES under HPB. 
It
> taught that HPB remained the Real Head of the School, and wherever
> she was referred to, capital letters (including She and Her) are 
used.
> =====================================================
> <Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36730
>   <If the claim is made in the ULT's Dzyan Esoteric School that HPB 
is
> the Real Head of the School, exactly what does that claim IMPLY or
> actually mean?
>   <Furthermore, remember what HPB said in the "Preliminary 
Memorandum":
>   <"The real Head of the Esoteric Section is a Master, of whom H.P.
> Blavatsky is the mouthpiece for this Section. . . . It is through
> H.P. Blavatsky that each member of this section will be brought more
> closely than hitherto under His influence and care if found worthy 
of
> it."
> <Quoted from: http://www.katinkahesselink.net/esinstr.htm#prelim1
>   <THEREFORE does this claim by the DES imply such a potential 
> relationship or even "contact" in light of what HPB was writing 
about 
> in 1888?
>   <In my series of examples given to you about forming an esoteric
> group at:
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37242
>   and 
>   <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37349
>   <if Victor in the 1890s or Glen in the 1970s made a similar
> claim that in their esoteric groups HPB is the real head, would that
> be any DIFFERENT or LESS VALID than what the Dzyan Esoteric School 
is
> <claiming????
>   <Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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