Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00183)

Friends, 

There was a "maximum age" issue too. Paris wanted an age limit for some  things. 

Carlos. 

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Data:Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:59:34 -0600

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Co-masonry

> From what I know, only "co-masonic" lodges that exist in the US belong to
> either the American Federation of Human Rights or the Eastern one. Both of
> them are independent of Le Droit Humain. Are there any in the US which owe
> allegiance to Le Droit Humain.
> 
> It looks like the key issue that triggered the groups going independent of
> Paris is Paris demanding its appointed representative to have veto power on
> the decisions of the orders.
> 
> Any one knows any more info.
> 
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 11/2/06, Carl Ek wrote:
> >
> >
> > In the US, are still several real "Le Droit Humain", hence it was a
> > minority that left. The real story behind it I don't know, but it
> > could have had something to do with that "Le Droit Humain" around
> > year 2000 got a new Grand Master.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl: Thanks for the info.
> > > For a long time the co-masons in the US owed allegiance to Paris.
> > First
> > > split came prior to the litigation that took place in Colorado,
> > which was
> > > mainly on who will control the assets/properties. I have seen some
> > of the
> > > public documentation prior to this time and all of them in the US
> > and India
> > > refer to Le-Droit Humain. It looks like some years ago rest of the
> > > theosphist based co-masons cut off their allegiance to Le Droit
> > Humain. Does
> > > anyone know the real story behind the cut-off?
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > > On 11/1/06, Carl Ek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First, there are six different groups of Co-masons in the US, and
> > > > thee of this are leadbeaterian.
> > > >
> > > > The "Le Droit Humain" has never been a part of the Adyar TS.
> > After
> > > > the death of John Yarker on 20 March 1913 Annie Besant becomes
> > the
> > > > head of the Co-masonry in the British Empire. Thru her Leadbeater
> > > > and other Adyar-people got high offices in the "Le Droit Humain".
> > > > They introduced the "Leadbeaerian Rite", in other words
> > Leadbeater's
> > > > own version of the Scottish Rite (A.A.S.R.). Around year 2000 the
> > > > Supreme Council of the 33 and Highest Degree of the A.A.S.R. -
> > "Le
> > > > Droit Humain" in Paris forbid and band the "Leadbeaerian Rite",
> > > > within its lodges. This Mr. Algeo and friends of course didn't
> > like,
> > > > so they left and founded their on order.
> > > >
> > > > There are still several Theosophists in the "Le Droit Humain",
> > but
> > > > they want to work according to the real Masonic Rite, and the
> > > > tradition Co-Masonry.
> > > >
> > > > One interesting event within the history of Co-masonry was the
> > > > meeting of the Sovereign Sanctuary in Manchester June 28 1913. In
> > > > the article "Aleister Crowley: freemason!"
> > > > by Martin P. Starr we find:
> > > >
> > > > "Richard Higham, a long-time member of the Antient and Primitive
> > > > Rite, convoked a meeting of its Sovereign Sanctuary in his home
> > city
> > > > of Manchester on 28 June 1913.12 Crowley protested at the
> > presence
> > > > of Wedgwood, whom he challenged to prove himself a mason;
> > Wedgwood
> > > > replied with the mildness of a clergyman that if Crowley was
> > right
> > > > in his contention that Wedgwood was no mason, that Wedgwood was
> > > > equally entitled to object to Crowley's presence, 'it being the
> > > > first condition of membership that a candidate should be a
> > freemason
> > > > in good standing under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of
> > > > England'.13 After a diatribe by Crowley, attacking Besant, 'the
> > > > nominal mistress' of the Theosophical Society, and her occult
> > > > partner C. W Leadbeater, 'a senile sex-maniac', who is 'the hand
> > > > which moves the wooden-headed pawn Wedgwood, hardly a man,
> > certainly
> > > > no Mason',14 the meeting disbanded sine die, only to regroup at
> > > > Crowley's London studio on 30 June 1913, without Wedgwood and
> > > > without incident, electing Henry Meyer to replace Yarker as
> > > > Sovereign Grand Master General of the Rite. This convocation
> > marks
> > > > the effective terminus for the Antient and Primitive Rite, for it
> > > > was Crowley's intent to consolidate all the 'bodies of
> > initiates' in
> > > > one system, that of the Ordo Templi Orientis, and he quickly lost
> > > > all interest in Yarker's nearly moribund body. But there remained
> > > > that nagging matter of masonic recognition, so Crowley strove for
> > > > the last time to obtain the approval of the United Grand Lodge of
> > > > England."
> > > >
> > > > Read the whole article on:
> > http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/crowley.html
> > > >
> > > > I know that Theosophists normally not are friends of Crowley, but
> > > > sometimes he hade certain points, as one can find above.
> > > >
> > > > For more info on Co-masonry see:
> > > >
> > > > www.droit-humain.org (The webpage of the Supreme Council in
> > Paris,
> > > > the original Co-masons)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.droit-humain.org/uk/ (The British Federation of above)
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/esoterica/besant_a/besant_a.html
> > > > (Besant and Masonry)
> > > > http://comasonic.net/ (Eastern Order of International Co-
> > > > Freemasonry , Mr. Algeo's own leadbeaterian version)
> > > > http://www.grandlodge.org.uk/ (This is the leadbeaterian friends
> > of
> > > > Mr. Algeo in England)
> > > >
> > > > The "Eastern Star Order of Co-masonry" is a break away group from
> > > > Algeo's. This is NOT to be mixed up with "Order of the Eastern
> > > > Star" (that is an old "party order" and affiliated with the
> > regular
> > > > American Masonry).
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Droit_Humain (Wikipeida on Co-
> > > > masonry, and link to other Co-masonic groups)
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "M K Ramadoss" 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two groups of co-masons in the USA. One has no
> > > > allegiance to the
> > > > > leadership in Paris and is self-contained in the USA and the
> > other
> > > > has many
> > > > > well known members of theosophy leaders active. Both have
> > members
> > > > of
> > > > > theosophy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The division of two groups was followed by litigation in the US
> > > > Courts
> > > > > (about the property and money) which has finally settled with a
> > > > final
> > > > > decision by the courts. There was msg posted which gave a URL
> > link
> > > > for the
> > > > > full decision of the US Appeals court which is of interest to
> > > > anyone
> > > > > interested in the historical background to co-masonry in the
> > US.
> > > > >
> > > > > mkr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Eastern Star Order of Co-masonry (so called "theosophical
> > > > > masonry" or leadbeterian, headed by Algeo) is very small
> > outside
> > > > the
> > > > > US. And if a real co-mason of the "Le Droit Humain" has any
> > > > > connection with this group, they will be anathemased at once.
> > The
> > > > > same will happen to all other masons, of the London or
> > > > > Paris "divisions", too. The only two Eastern Star lodge,
> > outside
> > > > the
> > > > > US I have heard of is in London and Amsterdam, but I think
> > there
> > > > > must be one in Adyar to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
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