Paul the Revealer?
Feb 16, 2006 11:22 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline
Dear Bill,
My apologies.
Sorry, I don't have the time to read you commentaries carefully right now.
Busy day.
But, do you really think Paul Johnson has "Revealed the Masters"?
Revealed their personal identities??? Understood something of their
teachings?
According to the Esoteric Philosophy, it takes an Adept to
fully understand Adepts. And those who undertand anything serious sbout
them, do NOT "reveal". Have heard about Secrets of Initiation?
Tao Te King: "Those who talk, don't know; those who know, don't talk".
Now, when I say that but Paul's ideas (not his books, which I
do not have the time to read) about the
Masters "revelation" are absolute naive nonsense, and NOT an intentional
attack to the esoteric philosophy and its Guardians, I am saying but
my sincere opinion. And I am saying I admire and respect him despite
of his complete misinformation about esoteric philosophy.
This naiveté made him accept and cooperate with "David Green" for years,
until he finally opened his eyes -- and now I owe him a favour.
To me, Paul's ideas about " revealing " Master show his complete
absence of knowledge about Esoteric Philosophy. With apologies for my
frankness. That's what I feel.
But -- I beg your pardon, no time available right now for more.
Except that -- I thank Paul Johnson very much for his contribution
on the real activities of Daniel Caldwell, which seem to include
serious possibilities of fraud. But I am still waiting for Daniel's
explanations.
Perhaps Daniel will show to us all he is innocent --or "not-guilty".
Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline
From: Bill Meredith <meredith_bill@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Paul and the future
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:40:39 -0500
I meant to say at the end of this message "the end justifies the means"
instead of "the end is justified by the means."
--b
Bill Meredith wrote:
> carlosaveline cardoso aveline wrote:
>
>> Dear Paul,
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> In the Mahatma Letters, T.U.P., Letter LII, p. 292, one of the Masters
says
>> that as they had allowed their names to be "dragged into publicity",
they
>> had to stand "offensive" articles, and so on.
>>
>> Ironically, he says, quoting Olcott, that this was "the penalty of
their
>> (mudane, mayavic) greatness".
>>
>> So I do not think that your speculative and naive books are quite the
end
>> of the world.
>>
>>
>
>
> I would say that unless you are an exceptionally talented speed reader
> you have not read Paul's books yet and so for you to judge them is
> an example of lower self arrogance and self-righteous zeal that needs
> to be contained by your higher self. Give your Self a chance by
> consciously choosing to identify it.
>
>> But for some reason your books have led you into some kind of close
>> association of such beings as "Daniel Green", John Algeo and other
similar
>> level "pundits". This is for you to think, please. Meditate on that.
Every
>> fact has at least one CAUSE. I think the cause in this case is maya,
>> self-delusion. The must be something wrong in your navigation system"
for
>> you to have come into close relationship with a "intellectual" as
"David
>> Green" and to be used, as you described, by J. Algeo.
>>
>>
>
> This would be a far more effective discussion if you, Carlos, would
> discuss how your past actions have brought into some kind of close
> association with Daniel, Jerome, John, Bruce, Paul, and now me.
> Meditate on that. Every fact has at least one CAUSE. I think that the
> cause in this case is your own self-delusion, but what I think is not
> nearly so important as what you discover about yourself through
> meditation and self-study. There must be something wrong in your
> navigation system for you to come on theos-talk and think that you can
> tell other people what is wrong with them. Tell us what is wrong with
> you, my friend. Then and only then will you have pulled the beam from
> your own eye sufficiently to see others with any clarity.
>
>> I also believe that you having had the courage and the character
necessary
>> to face and to confront Daniel and his tricks (IF he does not prove to
us
>> all this innocence or "non-guiltyness"... ) --- as well as to
bravely
>> tell us about all your dealings with the TPH and J. Algeo, this, I say,
>> shows that you can go beyond the point where you are now.
>>
>> Each step at a time. Now you have done THeos-talk a great service.
>>
>>
>
>
> This is so much psycho-babble. Your beliefs about Paul are founded on
> the shifting sands of your own delusion. Please restrict your
> phycho-analysis to your own self.
>
>> As time passes a serious debate as "where and how to investigate about
>> Masters" can be held.
>>
>> The question, for theosophists, depends on vibration rates.
>>
>> Poetry cannot be experiened at the vibration rate typical of a box
fight, or
>> through the emotion of love for immediate personal money fame or
personal
>> power; and Masters cannot be found by the methods you tried. Personal
&
>> physical IDs have nothing to do with Adepts.
>>
>>
>
> This is a one-sided view that does not even allow for the existence of
> other perspectives. It is anti-theosophical and harmful to the movement
> to see such things in print.
>
>> You did not reveal the Masters, then, but you revealed some important
>> hypotheses about Daniel's secret activities, and you may have revealed
>> fundamental aspects of the aggressive variety of neotheosophy and
>> neotheosophists.
>>
>> I guess, though, that your dialogue with the theosophical movement is
just
>> starting and can lead you much beyond your books written so far and
your
>> present ideas -- once you but keep to the honest feelings in your heart
and
>> mind.
>>
>> Best regards, Carlos.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> It is becoming clear that you are using Paul as the enemy of your
> enemy. I ask you to examine your own motivations in this regard and see
> if you are not succumbing to the old and false notion that "the end is
> justified by the means."
>
>
>
> peace,
>
>
> bill
>
>
> p.s. tell jerome I said hello.
>
>
>
>
>
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