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The Jewish Nasruddin

Feb 16, 2006 11:02 AM
by carlosaveline cardoso aveline



Dear Sufilight,

Your questions and my answers:

1) Question: But do you agree on, that Not all Theosophists are true students when they are starting as Seekers and become social in theosophical circles?

1) Answer: I will not enter into the complex matter of defining "true theosophist". I will say, then, rather, "insightful person" and leave it abstract, to try run away from fight for words... OK?


2) Question: So you disagree with this sentence in my previous email? "The real Teachers of today use present day teachings adapted to time, place, people and circumstances."

2) Answer: Again, I will "run away" as much as possible from risky terms as "real teacher", but I will generally agree, only saying :

"The best, and insighful, students of Esoteric Philosophy, Sacred Wisdom, Gupta Vidya, Brahma Vidya or Esoteric Wisdom (......) of today use to teach in a way adapted to time, place, people and circumstances and do more than that -- they swim in the different cultural rivers as if they were all part of the same ocean, which they ultimately are".

But I would not have to have rephrased necessarily what you wrote. I basically, only with the clause about the dangferous expression "true teacher" -- for, who's is to judge who's who?? I guess we agree.

3) Question. After all, why did HPB together with Morya and a few others write the book
in the manner they did back in the good old days. One could contemplate, why they needed to write a book in that manner at all.
3) Answer. I do not see the need to question "Why", which lets to long speculations. The SD is superb to those who enjoy it. That's enough for me.

4) I have read nearly everything that is around about Nasruddin, including by Idries. I have a section in my library on Sufism, in English (more) and in Portuguese (less) , and also wrote/adapted several of Nasruddin stories in some of my books already published. I also am aware that there is a Jewish version of Nasruddin with many nice stories in common.
Israelites and Muslims have much in common besides the root of both religions.

Best regards, Carlos.




From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Theos-World Theosophy in All Languages
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:33:57 +0100

Hallo Carlos and all,

My views are:

1.
Yes some true students will do so.
True students are not attached so much to the dead-letter.


Question:
But do you agree on, that
Not all Theosophists are true students when they are starting as Seekers
and become social in theosophical circles?

Question:
So you disagree with this sentence in my previous email?
"The real Teachers of today use present day teachings adapted to
time, place, people and circumstances."

After all, why did HPB together with Morya and a few others write the book
in the
manner they did back in the good old days.
One could contemplate, why they needed to write a book in that manner at
all.


2.
On Nasrudin I would answer: No, not as I understand what you write.

Instead of me answering you more precisely, I would offer you some
experiences,
so you can draw your own wise conclusion:
If you want to learn more about Nasrudin you could read the books by Idries
Shah.



3. My views is:
Some readers at this place are more attached to the dead-letter reading
than they themselves are aware of.


*******

THE SEVEN KEYS
Mulla Nasrudin was telling his friends in the tavern one day about his
family.
"Nine boys," he said, "and all good, except Abdul. HE LEARNED TO READ."




from
M. Sufilight with a laugh...wondering why he wrote this email...



----- Original Message -----
From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Theos-World Theosophy in All Languages


>
> Dear Sufilight,
>
> I agree the language in HPP's writings is the language of the 19th
> century.
> As the language of Plato was the language of his day.
>
> Yet true students will go beyong language into the content itself,
> won't they?
>
> The very Nasruddin tales are an experiment into intuition and a bridge
> beyond outer language and style, aren't they?
>
> So HPB, like Plato, is 19th century and belongs to all centuries,
> as Nasruddin does.  It is up to us to dismantle Babel and circulate
> in the different languages.
>
> Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World The heretic  laughter
>>Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:35:41 +0100
>>
>>Hallo Carlos,
>>
>>My views are:
>>
>>Allright. Try this one:
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/29407
>>
>>
>>
>>from
>>M. Sufilight with shivers up and down the spine...and a smile
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "carlosaveline cardoso aveline" <carlosaveline@hotmail.com>
>>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:16 PM
>>Subject: Theos-World The heretic laughter
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Dear  M. Sufilight,
>> >
>> >
>> > You should bring more of Nasruddin's tales  to us here.
>> >
>> > Humour stimulates new brain connections and liberates from attachment
>> > to
>> > the
>> > same old ideas.
>> >
>> > Especially humor connected with wisdom.
>> >
>> > (I would like to have the time to compile humorous/ironical
>> > sentences from HPB writings and the Mahatma Letters...)
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot,  Carlos.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
>> >>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> >>To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>> >>Subject: Theos-World The heretic cartoonist...
>> >>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:33:30 +0100
>> >>
>> >>Hallo
>> >>
>> >>A short one:
>> >>
>> >>"Nasrudin, is your religion orthodox?"
>> >>"It all depends," said Nasrudin, "on which bunch of heretics is in
>>power."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>from
>> >>M. Sufilight
>> >>
>> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>




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