Theos-Talk Archives (November 2005 Message tt00119)

Hi Frank,

Maybe the only way to represent and preserve old and rare 
theosophical texts is to scan them and put them online. If you can 
spent some time for this purpose please contact me.

Kind regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@o...> 
wrote:
>
> Doss, Theosophy has really problems in USA.
> But in Germany Theosophy has much more 
> problems.
> 
> Here, the officials have destroyed from 
> within all properties, archives (including 
> thousands of original German titles, 
> theosophical arts like the many outstanding 
> paintings of Mr Walter Einbeck, or the many 
> first issues of Franz Hartmann (most of the 
> German reprints after his death in 1912 are 
> silently modified, such als "God" instead of 
> "the divine"), the unique runs of German 
> theosophical magazines like the Neue 
> Metaphysische Rundschau, Hartmann's 
> Rundschau, Blaetter zur Pflege des Hoeheren 
> Lebens, Der Wanderer).
> This destruction from above or within was 
> mainly done in the 1980'ies and 1990'ies.
> 
> The plus is: No litigations in Germany are 
> possible anymore, the most groups have hardly 
> more than their letter-head.
> The other plus is: We need no Jesuits 
> anymore, we have destroyed all by ourselves.
> 
> What remains in the future of theosophical 
> documents and books from 1886-1945 will be 
> Himmler's occult archives - that, what the 
> Nazi monsters took away from the theosophists 
> to save it from them.
> 
> When I asked a President of one group which 
> labels itsself "TS" whether he believes in 
> the karmic law and what he, who has destroyed 
> all unique documents and books of his groups, 
> expects in his next life, he replied: "I 
> believe the Masters will build me a new 
> library!"
> 
> Another President whispered to me, that the 
> destruction of the archives was done on 
> Masters orders! The world enters now kali 
> yuga and no esoteric work is possible 
> anymore, so we must destroy all to prevent 
> misuse of the books.
> 
> Another one - he claims to be a chela (we 
> have many chelas, initiates, messengers and 
> what now here, the latest howler is PTS agent 
> Dr Peter Michel's chela Mrs Manuela Oetinger 
> who spent one week of holidays in the Alp 
> mountains to channel the Masters and presents 
> now a book about this high and strong 
> energies!) of Point Loma - affirmed to me 
> that we need no books, as Theosophy is spirit 
> and we have the Masters and the Akasha 
> records, so books are superfluous!
> 
> This year two of the bigot theosophical sect 
> magazines abandoned. Others will follow soon 
> as they are made by a few persons only who 
> are aged.
> 
> May we hope the Jesuits in Rome have an 
> archives of the around 60 theos. German 
> magazines and around 100 further occult 
> magazines of the old time.
> Otherwise a new theosophical group in the 
> future has to begin with that what is being 
> left over!
> 
> Frank
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@g...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the 
> Narada Lodge
> 
> 
> I don't know what is the appropriate action. 
> All litigation is centered
> around not theosophy but properties owned by 
> the branches. I do not know of
> a single litigation where money or property 
> was not the key issue.
> 
> One thing we all can do is to practice what 
> we have learnt by exposure to
> theosophy and this will benefit our fellow 
> men and women and children and
> all fellow beings and thus benefit each one 
> of us.
> 
> mkr
> 
> On 11/20/05, Frank Reitemeyer 
> <ringding@o...> wrote:
> >
> > My sympathy to the Narada Lodge and all 
> > true
> > Blavatsky students the world over!
> >
> > True theosophists are persecuted today by 
> > the
> > "Theosophical Society" similary to the true
> > Christian by the "Christian church"!
> > What can be done to help the rebels against
> > the dark Empire?
> >
> > Writing a petition to Wheaton, signed by
> > thousands of Adyar members and independent
> > theosophists?
> > A public campaign? Broadsheets in the
> > newspapers?
> > Cancel the membership?
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@g...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the
> > Narada Lodge
> >
> >
> > It is a sorry state of affairs in that
> > property/funds that are meant to be
> > used to further interests of theosophy 
> > being
> > expended on attoneys. Anytime
> > one gets into litigation, both parties 
> > loose.
> >
> > mkr
> >
> > On 11/15/05, Eldon B Tucker
> > <eldon@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I got a copy of the following message 
> > > about
> > > problems at the Narada Lodge
> > > of
> > > the Adyar Theosophical Society (in 
> > > Tacoma,
> > > Washington). After reading
> > > their
> > > web page describing the situation, at
> > >
> > > http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org,
> > >
> > > I wrote them to clarify what they said, 
> > > and
> > > following is what I understand
> > > to be the situation.
> > >
> > > The branch was chartered in 1890, 
> > > obtained
> > > a charted from the Point Loma
> > > Society in 1895, and got another from the
> > > Adyar Society in 1899. It
> > > preexists the Theosophical Society in
> > > America (in Wheaton, Illinois); its
> > > bylaws have never conformed; and it voted
> > > in 1989 not to change the bylaws
> > > to conform with Wheaton. It was asked 
> > > again
> > > in October 2004 to change its
> > > bylaws, but declined, after which its
> > > current problems started.
> > >
> > > From what I heard, Wheaton declared four
> > > people who were not lodge members
> > > to now belong to the lodge, after which 
> > > the
> > > four (along with a former
> > > lodge
> > > member) held a special meeting, electing
> > > their own officers for the lodge
> > > and claiming they now were in charge of 
> > > the
> > > lodge and in control of its
> > > property. Their claim is being backed up
> > > with a lawsuit that presumes they
> > > now represent the lodge and are suing on
> > > its behalf the lodge leadership
> > > they say they voted out of office.
> > >
> > > Say I were a president of a theosophical
> > > lodge and found out one day that
> > > the national section had added new 
> > > members
> > > to my lodge. These members have
> > > a
> > > meeting without inviting current lodge
> > > members, hold an election, and vote
> > > me out of office. They now sue me, in the
> > > name of the lodge, to turn over
> > > control of its assets to them. If that 
> > > were
> > > to happen, I certain wouldn't
> > > feel very happy about the situation. I'd
> > > especially feel bad if my lodge
> > > was
> > > a separate legal entity from the national
> > > section and was chartered before
> > > the national section was created as a 
> > > legal
> > > entity.
> > >
> > > Perhaps there's another side to the story
> > > that we've not heard yet, with
> > > further information that better explains
> > > what is happening and why it
> > > might
> > > be considered a good idea. On first 
> > > hearing
> > > about it, though, I have
> > > trouble
> > > seeing how someone could see this as a 
> > > good
> > > thing to be doing.
> > >
> > > Eldon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Narada Theosophical Society
> > > [mailto:naradasociety@p...]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:58 PM
> > > To: phxultlodge@g...;
> > > mcdavid@u...;
> > > eleutherian51@y...;
> > > timestar@t...;
> > > cjraby@e...; epelleti@t...;
> > > theosnw@t...;
> > > editor@t...; AmSec@p...;
> > > fohat@p...; edbl1@c...;
> > > subaruza_31@h...;
> > > maurice.warnon@k...
> > > Subject: narada suit
> > >
> > > Wheaton sues officers of Tacoma Lodge on
> > > behalf of Wheaton's appointees.
> > > Please look at our web page,
> > > 
www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org<http://www.thetheosophicalsoci
etyinamerica.org>
> > <http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org>
> > > We at Narada Theosophical Society are 
> > > only
> > > interested in one thing, that
> > > is
> > > the study of theosophy as presented by 
> > > the
> > > Masters and early founders of
> > > the
> > > Theosophical Movement. We have offered to
> > > work with Wheaton, but not under
> > > them. We have been autonomous since we
> > > chartered with William Q. Judge on
> > > April 28/29, 1895 as The Theosophical
> > > Society in America. We rechartered
> > > with the American Section, Adyar again 
> > > Jan.
> > > 1899, with a clause in our
> > > Constitution giving us legal Autonomy,
> > > which they recognized. We were
> > > members of both Societies at the same 
> > > time.
> > > We have been asked many times
> > > in our past to change our bylaws by
> > > Wheaton, but have declined, so as to
> > > not
> > > lose our grandfathered in charters in the
> > > societies.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
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