Theos-Talk Archives (November 2005 Message tt00112)

Doss, Theosophy has really problems in USA.
But in Germany Theosophy has much more 
problems.

Here, the officials have destroyed from 
within all properties, archives (including 
thousands of original German titles, 
theosophical arts like the many outstanding 
paintings of Mr Walter Einbeck, or the many 
first issues of Franz Hartmann (most of the 
German reprints after his death in 1912 are 
silently modified, such als "God" instead of 
"the divine"), the unique runs of German 
theosophical magazines like the Neue 
Metaphysische Rundschau, Hartmann's 
Rundschau, Blaetter zur Pflege des Hoeheren 
Lebens, Der Wanderer).
This destruction from above or within was 
mainly done in the 1980'ies and 1990'ies.

The plus is: No litigations in Germany are 
possible anymore, the most groups have hardly 
more than their letter-head.
The other plus is: We need no Jesuits 
anymore, we have destroyed all by ourselves.

What remains in the future of theosophical 
documents and books from 1886-1945 will be 
Himmler's occult archives - that, what the 
Nazi monsters took away from the theosophists 
to save it from them.

When I asked a President of one group which 
labels itsself "TS" whether he believes in 
the karmic law and what he, who has destroyed 
all unique documents and books of his groups, 
expects in his next life, he replied: "I 
believe the Masters will build me a new 
library!"

Another President whispered to me, that the 
destruction of the archives was done on 
Masters orders! The world enters now kali 
yuga and no esoteric work is possible 
anymore, so we must destroy all to prevent 
misuse of the books.

Another one - he claims to be a chela (we 
have many chelas, initiates, messengers and 
what now here, the latest howler is PTS agent 
Dr Peter Michel's chela Mrs Manuela Oetinger 
who spent one week of holidays in the Alp 
mountains to channel the Masters and presents 
now a book about this high and strong 
energies!) of Point Loma - affirmed to me 
that we need no books, as Theosophy is spirit 
and we have the Masters and the Akasha 
records, so books are superfluous!

This year two of the bigot theosophical sect 
magazines abandoned. Others will follow soon 
as they are made by a few persons only who 
are aged.

May we hope the Jesuits in Rome have an 
archives of the around 60 theos. German 
magazines and around 100 further occult 
magazines of the old time.
Otherwise a new theosophical group in the 
future has to begin with that what is being 
left over!

Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@gmail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the 
Narada Lodge


I don't know what is the appropriate action. 
All litigation is centered
around not theosophy but properties owned by 
the branches. I do not know of
a single litigation where money or property 
was not the key issue.

One thing we all can do is to practice what 
we have learnt by exposure to
theosophy and this will benefit our fellow 
men and women and children and
all fellow beings and thus benefit each one 
of us.

mkr

On 11/20/05, Frank Reitemeyer 
<ringding@online.de> wrote:
>
> My sympathy to the Narada Lodge and all 
> true
> Blavatsky students the world over!
>
> True theosophists are persecuted today by 
> the
> "Theosophical Society" similary to the true
> Christian by the "Christian church"!
> What can be done to help the rebels against
> the dark Empire?
>
> Writing a petition to Wheaton, signed by
> thousands of Adyar members and independent
> theosophists?
> A public campaign? Broadsheets in the
> newspapers?
> Cancel the membership?
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@gmail.com>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the
> Narada Lodge
>
>
> It is a sorry state of affairs in that
> property/funds that are meant to be
> used to further interests of theosophy 
> being
> expended on attoneys. Anytime
> one gets into litigation, both parties 
> loose.
>
> mkr
>
> On 11/15/05, Eldon B Tucker
> <eldon@theosophy.com> wrote:
> >
> > I got a copy of the following message 
> > about
> > problems at the Narada Lodge
> > of
> > the Adyar Theosophical Society (in 
> > Tacoma,
> > Washington). After reading
> > their
> > web page describing the situation, at
> >
> > http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org,
> >
> > I wrote them to clarify what they said, 
> > and
> > following is what I understand
> > to be the situation.
> >
> > The branch was chartered in 1890, 
> > obtained
> > a charted from the Point Loma
> > Society in 1895, and got another from the
> > Adyar Society in 1899. It
> > preexists the Theosophical Society in
> > America (in Wheaton, Illinois); its
> > bylaws have never conformed; and it voted
> > in 1989 not to change the bylaws
> > to conform with Wheaton. It was asked 
> > again
> > in October 2004 to change its
> > bylaws, but declined, after which its
> > current problems started.
> >
> > From what I heard, Wheaton declared four
> > people who were not lodge members
> > to now belong to the lodge, after which 
> > the
> > four (along with a former
> > lodge
> > member) held a special meeting, electing
> > their own officers for the lodge
> > and claiming they now were in charge of 
> > the
> > lodge and in control of its
> > property. Their claim is being backed up
> > with a lawsuit that presumes they
> > now represent the lodge and are suing on
> > its behalf the lodge leadership
> > they say they voted out of office.
> >
> > Say I were a president of a theosophical
> > lodge and found out one day that
> > the national section had added new 
> > members
> > to my lodge. These members have
> > a
> > meeting without inviting current lodge
> > members, hold an election, and vote
> > me out of office. They now sue me, in the
> > name of the lodge, to turn over
> > control of its assets to them. If that 
> > were
> > to happen, I certain wouldn't
> > feel very happy about the situation. I'd
> > especially feel bad if my lodge
> > was
> > a separate legal entity from the national
> > section and was chartered before
> > the national section was created as a 
> > legal
> > entity.
> >
> > Perhaps there's another side to the story
> > that we've not heard yet, with
> > further information that better explains
> > what is happening and why it
> > might
> > be considered a good idea. On first 
> > hearing
> > about it, though, I have
> > trouble
> > seeing how someone could see this as a 
> > good
> > thing to be doing.
> >
> > Eldon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Narada Theosophical Society
> > [mailto:naradasociety@peoplepc.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:58 PM
> > To: phxultlodge@gmail.com;
> > mcdavid@uthscsa.edu;
> > eleutherian51@yahoo.com;
> > timestar@timestar.org;
> > cjraby@earthlink.net; epelleti@telus.net;
> > theosnw@theosophy-nw.org;
> > editor@theosophy.com; AmSec@pacbell.net;
> > fohat@planet.eon.net; edbl1@comcast.net;
> > subaruza_31@hotmail.com;
> > maurice.warnon@kingsgarden.org
> > Subject: narada suit
> >
> > Wheaton sues officers of Tacoma Lodge on
> > behalf of Wheaton's appointees.
> > Please look at our web page,
> > www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org<http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org>
> <http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org>
> > We at Narada Theosophical Society are 
> > only
> > interested in one thing, that
> > is
> > the study of theosophy as presented by 
> > the
> > Masters and early founders of
> > the
> > Theosophical Movement. We have offered to
> > work with Wheaton, but not under
> > them. We have been autonomous since we
> > chartered with William Q. Judge on
> > April 28/29, 1895 as The Theosophical
> > Society in America. We rechartered
> > with the American Section, Adyar again 
> > Jan.
> > 1899, with a clause in our
> > Constitution giving us legal Autonomy,
> > which they recognized. We were
> > members of both Societies at the same 
> > time.
> > We have been asked many times
> > in our past to change our bylaws by
> > Wheaton, but have declined, so as to
> > not
> > lose our grandfathered in charters in the
> > societies.
> >
> > John
> >
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