Theos-Talk Archives (November 2005 Message tt00120)

If anyone has the text scanned somewhere, I would gladly develop a
program to search through it.

-Mark H.

On 11/21/05, Anton Rozman <anton_rozman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Maybe the only way to represent and preserve old and rare
> theosophical texts is to scan them and put them online. If you can
> spent some time for this purpose please contact me.
>
> Kind regards,
> Anton
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer" <ringding@o...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Doss, Theosophy has really problems in USA.
> > But in Germany Theosophy has much more
> > problems.
> >
> > Here, the officials have destroyed from
> > within all properties, archives (including
> > thousands of original German titles,
> > theosophical arts like the many outstanding
> > paintings of Mr Walter Einbeck, or the many
> > first issues of Franz Hartmann (most of the
> > German reprints after his death in 1912 are
> > silently modified, such als "God" instead of
> > "the divine"), the unique runs of German
> > theosophical magazines like the Neue
> > Metaphysische Rundschau, Hartmann's
> > Rundschau, Blaetter zur Pflege des Hoeheren
> > Lebens, Der Wanderer).
> > This destruction from above or within was
> > mainly done in the 1980'ies and 1990'ies.
> >
> > The plus is: No litigations in Germany are
> > possible anymore, the most groups have hardly
> > more than their letter-head.
> > The other plus is: We need no Jesuits
> > anymore, we have destroyed all by ourselves.
> >
> > What remains in the future of theosophical
> > documents and books from 1886-1945 will be
> > Himmler's occult archives - that, what the
> > Nazi monsters took away from the theosophists
> > to save it from them.
> >
> > When I asked a President of one group which
> > labels itsself "TS" whether he believes in
> > the karmic law and what he, who has destroyed
> > all unique documents and books of his groups,
> > expects in his next life, he replied: "I
> > believe the Masters will build me a new
> > library!"
> >
> > Another President whispered to me, that the
> > destruction of the archives was done on
> > Masters orders! The world enters now kali
> > yuga and no esoteric work is possible
> > anymore, so we must destroy all to prevent
> > misuse of the books.
> >
> > Another one - he claims to be a chela (we
> > have many chelas, initiates, messengers and
> > what now here, the latest howler is PTS agent
> > Dr Peter Michel's chela Mrs Manuela Oetinger
> > who spent one week of holidays in the Alp
> > mountains to channel the Masters and presents
> > now a book about this high and strong
> > energies!) of Point Loma - affirmed to me
> > that we need no books, as Theosophy is spirit
> > and we have the Masters and the Akasha
> > records, so books are superfluous!
> >
> > This year two of the bigot theosophical sect
> > magazines abandoned. Others will follow soon
> > as they are made by a few persons only who
> > are aged.
> >
> > May we hope the Jesuits in Rome have an
> > archives of the around 60 theos. German
> > magazines and around 100 further occult
> > magazines of the old time.
> > Otherwise a new theosophical group in the
> > future has to begin with that what is being
> > left over!
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@g...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the
> > Narada Lodge
> >
> >
> > I don't know what is the appropriate action.
> > All litigation is centered
> > around not theosophy but properties owned by
> > the branches. I do not know of
> > a single litigation where money or property
> > was not the key issue.
> >
> > One thing we all can do is to practice what
> > we have learnt by exposure to
> > theosophy and this will benefit our fellow
> > men and women and children and
> > all fellow beings and thus benefit each one
> > of us.
> >
> > mkr
> >
> > On 11/20/05, Frank Reitemeyer
> > <ringding@o...> wrote:
> > >
> > > My sympathy to the Narada Lodge and all
> > > true
> > > Blavatsky students the world over!
> > >
> > > True theosophists are persecuted today by
> > > the
> > > "Theosophical Society" similary to the true
> > > Christian by the "Christian church"!
> > > What can be done to help the rebels against
> > > the dark Empire?
> > >
> > > Writing a petition to Wheaton, signed by
> > > thousands of Adyar members and independent
> > > theosophists?
> > > A public campaign? Broadsheets in the
> > > newspapers?
> > > Cancel the membership?
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "M K Ramadoss" <mkr777@g...>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World problems with the
> > > Narada Lodge
> > >
> > >
> > > It is a sorry state of affairs in that
> > > property/funds that are meant to be
> > > used to further interests of theosophy
> > > being
> > > expended on attoneys. Anytime
> > > one gets into litigation, both parties
> > > loose.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > > On 11/15/05, Eldon B Tucker
> > > <eldon@t...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I got a copy of the following message
> > > > about
> > > > problems at the Narada Lodge
> > > > of
> > > > the Adyar Theosophical Society (in
> > > > Tacoma,
> > > > Washington). After reading
> > > > their
> > > > web page describing the situation, at
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org,
> > > >
> > > > I wrote them to clarify what they said,
> > > > and
> > > > following is what I understand
> > > > to be the situation.
> > > >
> > > > The branch was chartered in 1890,
> > > > obtained
> > > > a charted from the Point Loma
> > > > Society in 1895, and got another from the
> > > > Adyar Society in 1899. It
> > > > preexists the Theosophical Society in
> > > > America (in Wheaton, Illinois); its
> > > > bylaws have never conformed; and it voted
> > > > in 1989 not to change the bylaws
> > > > to conform with Wheaton. It was asked
> > > > again
> > > > in October 2004 to change its
> > > > bylaws, but declined, after which its
> > > > current problems started.
> > > >
> > > > From what I heard, Wheaton declared four
> > > > people who were not lodge members
> > > > to now belong to the lodge, after which
> > > > the
> > > > four (along with a former
> > > > lodge
> > > > member) held a special meeting, electing
> > > > their own officers for the lodge
> > > > and claiming they now were in charge of
> > > > the
> > > > lodge and in control of its
> > > > property. Their claim is being backed up
> > > > with a lawsuit that presumes they
> > > > now represent the lodge and are suing on
> > > > its behalf the lodge leadership
> > > > they say they voted out of office.
> > > >
> > > > Say I were a president of a theosophical
> > > > lodge and found out one day that
> > > > the national section had added new
> > > > members
> > > > to my lodge. These members have
> > > > a
> > > > meeting without inviting current lodge
> > > > members, hold an election, and vote
> > > > me out of office. They now sue me, in the
> > > > name of the lodge, to turn over
> > > > control of its assets to them. If that
> > > > were
> > > > to happen, I certain wouldn't
> > > > feel very happy about the situation. I'd
> > > > especially feel bad if my lodge
> > > > was
> > > > a separate legal entity from the national
> > > > section and was chartered before
> > > > the national section was created as a
> > > > legal
> > > > entity.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps there's another side to the story
> > > > that we've not heard yet, with
> > > > further information that better explains
> > > > what is happening and why it
> > > > might
> > > > be considered a good idea. On first
> > > > hearing
> > > > about it, though, I have
> > > > trouble
> > > > seeing how someone could see this as a
> > > > good
> > > > thing to be doing.
> > > >
> > > > Eldon
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Narada Theosophical Society
> > > > [mailto:naradasociety@p...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:58 PM
> > > > To: phxultlodge@g...;
> > > > mcdavid@u...;
> > > > eleutherian51@y...;
> > > > timestar@t...;
> > > > cjraby@e...; epelleti@t...;
> > > > theosnw@t...;
> > > > editor@t...; AmSec@p...;
> > > > fohat@p...; edbl1@c...;
> > > > subaruza_31@h...;
> > > > maurice.warnon@k...
> > > > Subject: narada suit
> > > >
> > > > Wheaton sues officers of Tacoma Lodge on
> > > > behalf of Wheaton's appointees.
> > > > Please look at our web page,
> > > >
> www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org<http://www.thetheosophicalsoci
> etyinamerica.org>
> > > <http://www.thetheosophicalsocietyinamerica.org>
> > > > We at Narada Theosophical Society are
> > > > only
> > > > interested in one thing, that
> > > > is
> > > > the study of theosophy as presented by
> > > > the
> > > > Masters and early founders of
> > > > the
> > > > Theosophical Movement. We have offered to
> > > > work with Wheaton, but not under
> > > > them. We have been autonomous since we
> > > > chartered with William Q. Judge on
> > > > April 28/29, 1895 as The Theosophical
> > > > Society in America. We rechartered
> > > > with the American Section, Adyar again
> > > > Jan.
> > > > 1899, with a clause in our
> > > > Constitution giving us legal Autonomy,
> > > > which they recognized. We were
> > > > members of both Societies at the same
> > > > time.
> > > > We have been asked many times
> > > > in our past to change our bylaws by
> > > > Wheaton, but have declined, so as to
> > > > not
> > > > lose our grandfathered in charters in the
> > > > societies.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
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