Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00087)

Dear Erica,
I don't want to sound like a nay-sayer, but as Theosophy says, civilizations rise and civilizations fall. Perhaps it is a natural event that Europe is starting to show cracks in its position in the world. Personally, would prefer a European run world as what Bush and the Americans are doing is repeating the same destructive pattern of warfare. And being honest, we are still tribal. By and large Multi-culturalism has worked in this country, however, it has taken two generations to let go of the old country values and adopt the new country as their own. It is only when our immigrants started intermarrying that the racism began to subside. We had the same thing here with Aussies and Brits being fearful that the Italians and Greeks would take our jobs, even though jobs were plentiful in those days. But these communities initially isolated themselves from the general community and were feared. It is interesting though that the young Italians and Greeks have turned against the
recent immigration of vietnamese and turks and africans. The aussies say that they get preference in government housing, loans, grants, etc etc. 
Regards
Cass

Erica Letzerich <eletzerich@yahoo.com> wrote:

England kept their coin from the beginning of the change of the Euro, while all the other countries in EU eliminated their coin changing it to Euro. Well about people thinking for themselves that would be a sweet dream. All this people that voted against the EU most of them are influenced by extremists, anarquists and the worst most of them which voted against the EU did not read it. One of the biggest fears in the air was the possibility of Turkey to join the EU. TO unity respecting the diversity intrinsic to every people and culture in Europe was a noble step towards the ideals of Universal Brotherhood. The EU constitution is quite noble and if you read it you may judge by yourself.



There is nothing like equality in terms of perception and ability to understand. They should have at least established some parameters for the people to vote which would be to read the EU and to proof that one did so. Every people considers itself better than other people Greeks they think they are the best people on earth, as much Germans think the same and also the French and so on and so forth.



All this discourse people can think by themselves is an illusion. Go and ask someone which are the main projects running into the national congress, who are the senators, or who are the members of the parliament I think you hardly is going to find someone able to answer this for you. But they can answer that they do not like the Greeks in the corner. 



Erica








Cass Silva wrote:
What I think is really fantastic about all this is that people are starting to think for themselves and not be mesmerized by the politicians. 
If England can retain its own currency and still be part of the EU, why cant the other countries in Europe do the same? The immigration clause seems to be the hurdle as people don't want to risk their income. The immigration system worked well here because we needed more people, but in Europe, this is the opposite, some of the poorer EU countries can hardly afford to keep their own without putting more pressure on locals by having immigrant workers prepared work for lower wages.

My daughters have been in UK for 5 years now and both say that immigration has caused many problems there, especially with the Jamaicans.
Cass


Iain wrote:
Dear Erica,
Sorry, but there is no crisis in Europe. Yes there are a 
few problems,If you look back to my Email to Cass the other day , I think I 
have explained that the problem is that the politicians who are riding the 
gravy train have hit the buffers, the people have flexed their muscles and 
said we are not going to let politicians tell us what is good for us.The 
vast majority of Europeans want to keep their own identities, parliments and 
regional variations, we want a loose confederation of countries all working 
and co-operating together. Greece has had it hard with the economy, but so 
has many other EU member states. We in the UK saw what was going to happen 
with the single currency, so we opted out, that is why the Pound is strong 
against the US Dollar and the Euro.Germany,s economy was damaged with the 
unification of East and West, the afflunt West Germany suddenly had to deal 
with the rebuilding and development of East germany, but on top of that the 
change from the mark to the Euro, made their economy unstable, buisnesses 
had to cut back causing high unemployment then, with migrant workers from 
the former Warsaw Pact countries has caused resentment as the indiginous 
people now have to compete harder for jobs for lesser wages.
The Constitutional vote has been the only weapon that the people have 
to make the politicians to stop,think and revalue their stratagy. I do not 
think that the people are against Europe, I beleive this is a benefit to 
all, there are things that are not right and have to be fixed and sorted. 
The EU will continue as it has been for years, it is now that those that are 
making large amounts of money from the EU, wether it has been by subsidy, 
back slapping, or down right fraud, has to be stopped before the EU will 
work properly. THose profesional polititians who flit between, Brussels,and 
Strasburg and where-ever with there free travel, free meals and subsistance 
allowance that is second to none. Their answer is simple , just have another 
series of meetings, and if we cannot solve the problem, then just have 
another series of meetings.
cheers Iain
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erica Letzerich" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution


> Well lets wish the best solution will be found to pass through this
> crisis without major problems and conflicts. Germany has risen from
> ashes and maybe such problem will be easy for them to deal with if
> they decide to leave the EU. But I am afraid it will be no so easy
> for Greece to deal with.
>
> Erica
>
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> wrote:
>> Erica, you misunderstand me if you think I write
>> about political views.
>> I write about mundane dangers from a theosophical
>> view, which deals rather with principles and truth
>> than with ideologies.
>> When HPB warned the world about the conspiracy of
>> the commune and that socialism and communism will
>> lead to a bloodshed for millions she had no
>> political agenda at all.
>> Her business was compassion and brotherhood. The
>> 20th Century justified her.
>>
>> The same can be said from HPB's esoteric
>> successor, Katherine Tingley:. and her certain
>> clear and in the aftermath justified warnings and
>> protest concernings serveral incidents which
>> opened the Pandora's box:
>> 1913 against FED-coup; honored Senator Lindbergh
>> who opposed FED
>> 1916 against US war with innocent Germany
>> 1917 against Balfour declaration
>> 1918 against Wilson's break of his 14 points for
>> Germany, intrigued by Samule Untermeyer
>> 1919 against Versailles "treaty" with the "desk of
>> the unknown ones", warnings to FM
>> 1922-26 her propaganda tours throu Germany against
>> the foreign rule and stealing Germany's colonies
>>
>> to name but a few conspiracies of the brothers of
>> the shadow against humanity.
>> KT had like HPB no political agenda. Her business
>> was also compassion and brotherhood.
>>
>> The Euro has no future as also the EC monster,
>> which is rather an Adyar-like parody of what HPB
>> understood by brotherhood.
>> The "elite" (if there is any after the
>> "liberation") in Germany discourses now publicly
>> the return to the Mark.
>> The EC is the continued Allied war against Germany
>> with economial means.
>> When Germany will soon shake off the
>> Jewish-Freemasonry foreign rule (she has proofed
>> it in the past several times that she is able to
>> make such a wonder happen) a new and true German
>> government (not a puppet regime we have now as
>> also in Iraq and Afghanistan), Germany will end
>> the biological, ecological, economical, military
>> and national soul atroticies against her and leave
>> the EC.
>> That will be the end for that satanic monster as
>> Germany has paid more than $300 Billon for it
>> (extorted protection money) for the luck of its
>> bitter enemies.
>> Without the milk cow Germany there will be no EC
>> and no NATO.
>>
>> From that point of view your statement looks a
>> little bit silly as with the EC and NATO councils
>> in Brussels the high degrees of the East coast
>> control Europe.
>> Only without Euro, EC and NATO Europe will be free
>> again.
>>
>> More and more people awake from 60-years hypnosis
>> the "independent" mass media forced upon the
>> innocent peoples.
>> I'll keep the fingers crossed that the Communists
>> will receive many more NO votes and the planned
>> Super-GDR with complete Stasi-control plus Western
>> Computer technology will not happen.
>> Otherwise we will be over the point of no return
>> and kali yuga will come.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Erica Letzerich" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
>> constitution
>>
>>
>> Dear Frank,
>>
>> As it seems we do not share the same political
>> views so would be
>> pointless to discuss about it. :) If a domino
>> effect really takes
>> place Europe is going to pass through a crisis,
>> one more between so
>> many in its history. They rush into changing the
>> coin into Euro, of
>> course the Euro also will fall eventually (if the
>> NO goes on)
>> affecting the economy in Europe. And that will be
>> for the happiness
>> of USA economy which was challenged with the Euro.
>> Bush must be
>> laughing of happiness right now.
>>
>> Erica
>>
>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank
>> Reitemeyer"
>> wrote:
>> > Erica (I like your German first name), and The
>> > Netherlands says also NO.
>> > The German people would have also liked to say
>> > NO,
>> > but "our" "agents" did not ask us, the
>> > "sovereign".
>> > Thank you to the French and the Deutch!
>> > You have saved Germany, too.
>> >
>> > The freemasonic bolshevistic counsil system in
>> > Brussels is balked.
>> >
>> > In the USA they had more success right now.
>> > Markus
>> > Wolff, ex Jewish boss of the GDR sadistic and
>> > satanistic Stasi secret service is since Jan. 01
>> > consulter of the Department for Homeland
>> > Security,
>> > which is an imitation of the monster Stasi.
>> >
>> > The US gojim do not read about what REALLY
>> > happens, as they control over 80% of the press,
>> > as
>> > Kennedy just a few weeks ago in Germany.
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Erica Letzerich" 
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:28 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
>> > constitution
>> >
>> >
>> > France says 'no' to EU constitution, plunging
>> > Europe into crisis
>> >
>> > PARIS (AFP) - French voters massively rejected
>> > the
>> > EU's first ever
>> > constitution, dealing a rude slap in the face to
>> > their governing elite
>> > and a potentially fatal setback to the
>> > continent's
>> > ambitious plans for
>> > deeper political union.
>> >
>> > European leaders fear the French "no" could have
>> > a
>> > domino effect in
>> > other countries planning to hold referendums --
>> > first of all the
>> > Netherlands which has a non-binding national
>> > vote
>> > on Wednesday.
>> > Britain has hinted it might scrap a planned
>> > referendum if France voted
>> > down the constitution.
>> >
>> >
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