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Re: France says 'no' to EU constitution

Jun 03, 2005 06:52 AM
by Anton Rozman


Hi,

>So perhaps back to the basics again is what is required.<

Yes, communities are tied by values not by interests. Former are 
permanent, latter change every year if not every day.

Regards,
Anton


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Iain" <ibse03888@b...> wrote:
> Dear Erica,
> It is always the case, when the origins of an 
organization 
> laid in its simplist form are good and pure and are acceptable to 
all, then 
> it is wonderous and noble.
> But as always happens others then follow and add bits on that is 
of benefit 
> to their own cause and disregaurd the original ideals and objects, 
for their 
> own perceived advantage.FRom them sections,lobbys, presure 
groups,focus 
> groups all promoting their own agendas, the mis-appropriation of 
funds, 
> dishonesty,Fraud,advantage payola and corruption.have to be sorted 
out and 
> stopped.
> 
> So perhaps back to the basics again is what is required.
> cheers
> Iain
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution
> 
> 
> >
> > England kept their coin from the beginning of the change of the 
Euro, 
> > while all the other countries in EU eliminated their coin 
changing it to 
> > Euro. Well about people thinking for themselves that would be a 
sweet 
> > dream. All this people that voted against the EU most of them 
are 
> > influenced by extremists, anarquists and the worst most of them 
which 
> > voted against the EU did not read it. One of the biggest fears 
in the air 
> > was the possibility of Turkey to join the EU. TO unity 
respecting the 
> > diversity intrinsic to every people and culture in Europe was a 
noble step 
> > towards the ideals of Universal Brotherhood. The EU constitution 
is quite 
> > noble and if you read it you may judge by yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is nothing like equality in terms of perception and 
ability to 
> > understand. They should have at least established some 
parameters for the 
> > people to vote which would be to read the EU and to proof that 
one did so. 
> > Every people considers itself better than other people Greeks 
they think 
> > they are the best people on earth, as much Germans think the 
same and also 
> > the French and so on and so forth.
> >
> >
> >
> > All this discourse people can think by themselves is an 
illusion. Go and 
> > ask someone which are the main projects running into the 
national 
> > congress, who are the senators, or who are the members of the 
parliament I 
> > think you hardly is going to find someone able to answer this 
for you. But 
> > they can answer that they do not like the Greeks in the corner.
> >
> >
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> wrote:
> > What I think is really fantastic about all this is that people 
are 
> > starting to think for themselves and not be mesmerized by the 
politicians.
> > If England can retain its own currency and still be part of the 
EU, why 
> > cant the other countries in Europe do the same? The immigration 
clause 
> > seems to be the hurdle as people don't want to risk their 
income. The 
> > immigration system worked well here because we needed more 
people, but in 
> > Europe, this is the opposite, some of the poorer EU countries 
can hardly 
> > afford to keep their own without putting more pressure on locals 
by having 
> > immigrant workers prepared work for lower wages.
> >
> > My daughters have been in UK for 5 years now and both say that 
immigration 
> > has caused many problems there, especially with the Jamaicans.
> > Cass
> >
> >
> > Iain wrote:
> > Dear Erica,
> > Sorry, but there is no crisis in Europe. Yes there are a
> > few problems,If you look back to my Email to Cass the other 
day , I think 
> > I
> > have explained that the problem is that the politicians who are 
riding the
> > gravy train have hit the buffers, the people have flexed their 
muscles and
> > said we are not going to let politicians tell us what is good 
for us.The
> > vast majority of Europeans want to keep their own identities, 
parliments 
> > and
> > regional variations, we want a loose confederation of countries 
all 
> > working
> > and co-operating together. Greece has had it hard with the 
economy, but so
> > has many other EU member states. We in the UK saw what was going 
to happen
> > with the single currency, so we opted out, that is why the Pound 
is strong
> > against the US Dollar and the Euro.Germany,s economy was damaged 
with the
> > unification of East and West, the afflunt West Germany suddenly 
had to 
> > deal
> > with the rebuilding and development of East germany, but on top 
of that 
> > the
> > change from the mark to the Euro, made their economy unstable, 
buisnesses
> > had to cut back causing high unemployment then, with migrant 
workers from
> > the former Warsaw Pact countries has caused resentment as the 
indiginous
> > people now have to compete harder for jobs for lesser wages.
> > The Constitutional vote has been the only weapon that the people 
have
> > to make the politicians to stop,think and revalue their 
stratagy. I do not
> > think that the people are against Europe, I beleive this is a 
benefit to
> > all, there are things that are not right and have to be fixed 
and sorted.
> > The EU will continue as it has been for years, it is now that 
those that 
> > are
> > making large amounts of money from the EU, wether it has been by 
subsidy,
> > back slapping, or down right fraud, has to be stopped before the 
EU will
> > work properly. THose profesional polititians who flit between, 
> > Brussels,and
> > Strasburg and where-ever with there free travel, free meals and 
> > subsistance
> > allowance that is second to none. Their answer is simple , just 
have 
> > another
> > series of meetings, and if we cannot solve the problem, then 
just have
> > another series of meetings.
> > cheers Iain
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution
> >
> >
> >> Well lets wish the best solution will be found to pass through 
this
> >> crisis without major problems and conflicts. Germany has risen 
from
> >> ashes and maybe such problem will be easy for them to deal with 
if
> >> they decide to leave the EU. But I am afraid it will be no so 
easy
> >> for Greece to deal with.
> >>
> >> Erica
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> >> wrote:
> >>> Erica, you misunderstand me if you think I write
> >>> about political views.
> >>> I write about mundane dangers from a theosophical
> >>> view, which deals rather with principles and truth
> >>> than with ideologies.
> >>> When HPB warned the world about the conspiracy of
> >>> the commune and that socialism and communism will
> >>> lead to a bloodshed for millions she had no
> >>> political agenda at all.
> >>> Her business was compassion and brotherhood. The
> >>> 20th Century justified her.
> >>>
> >>> The same can be said from HPB's esoteric
> >>> successor, Katherine Tingley:. and her certain
> >>> clear and in the aftermath justified warnings and
> >>> protest concernings serveral incidents which
> >>> opened the Pandora's box:
> >>> 1913 against FED-coup; honored Senator Lindbergh
> >>> who opposed FED
> >>> 1916 against US war with innocent Germany
> >>> 1917 against Balfour declaration
> >>> 1918 against Wilson's break of his 14 points for
> >>> Germany, intrigued by Samule Untermeyer
> >>> 1919 against Versailles "treaty" with the "desk of
> >>> the unknown ones", warnings to FM
> >>> 1922-26 her propaganda tours throu Germany against
> >>> the foreign rule and stealing Germany's colonies
> >>>
> >>> to name but a few conspiracies of the brothers of
> >>> the shadow against humanity.
> >>> KT had like HPB no political agenda. Her business
> >>> was also compassion and brotherhood.
> >>>
> >>> The Euro has no future as also the EC monster,
> >>> which is rather an Adyar-like parody of what HPB
> >>> understood by brotherhood.
> >>> The "elite" (if there is any after the
> >>> "liberation") in Germany discourses now publicly
> >>> the return to the Mark.
> >>> The EC is the continued Allied war against Germany
> >>> with economial means.
> >>> When Germany will soon shake off the
> >>> Jewish-Freemasonry foreign rule (she has proofed
> >>> it in the past several times that she is able to
> >>> make such a wonder happen) a new and true German
> >>> government (not a puppet regime we have now as
> >>> also in Iraq and Afghanistan), Germany will end
> >>> the biological, ecological, economical, military
> >>> and national soul atroticies against her and leave
> >>> the EC.
> >>> That will be the end for that satanic monster as
> >>> Germany has paid more than $300 Billon for it
> >>> (extorted protection money) for the luck of its
> >>> bitter enemies.
> >>> Without the milk cow Germany there will be no EC
> >>> and no NATO.
> >>>
> >>> From that point of view your statement looks a
> >>> little bit silly as with the EC and NATO councils
> >>> in Brussels the high degrees of the East coast
> >>> control Europe.
> >>> Only without Euro, EC and NATO Europe will be free
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >>> More and more people awake from 60-years hypnosis
> >>> the "independent" mass media forced upon the
> >>> innocent peoples.
> >>> I'll keep the fingers crossed that the Communists
> >>> will receive many more NO votes and the planned
> >>> Super-GDR with complete Stasi-control plus Western
> >>> Computer technology will not happen.
> >>> Otherwise we will be over the point of no return
> >>> and kali yuga will come.
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Erica Letzerich"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:12 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> >>> constitution
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Frank,
> >>>
> >>> As it seems we do not share the same political
> >>> views so would be
> >>> pointless to discuss about it. :) If a domino
> >>> effect really takes
> >>> place Europe is going to pass through a crisis,
> >>> one more between so
> >>> many in its history. They rush into changing the
> >>> coin into Euro, of
> >>> course the Euro also will fall eventually (if the
> >>> NO goes on)
> >>> affecting the economy in Europe. And that will be
> >>> for the happiness
> >>> of USA economy which was challenged with the Euro.
> >>> Bush must be
> >>> laughing of happiness right now.
> >>>
> >>> Erica
> >>>
> >>> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank
> >>> Reitemeyer"
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Erica (I like your German first name), and The
> >>> > Netherlands says also NO.
> >>> > The German people would have also liked to say
> >>> > NO,
> >>> > but "our" "agents" did not ask us, the
> >>> > "sovereign".
> >>> > Thank you to the French and the Deutch!
> >>> > You have saved Germany, too.
> >>> >
> >>> > The freemasonic bolshevistic counsil system in
> >>> > Brussels is balked.
> >>> >
> >>> > In the USA they had more success right now.
> >>> > Markus
> >>> > Wolff, ex Jewish boss of the GDR sadistic and
> >>> > satanistic Stasi secret service is since Jan. 01
> >>> > consulter of the Department for Homeland
> >>> > Security,
> >>> > which is an imitation of the monster Stasi.
> >>> >
> >>> > The US gojim do not read about what REALLY
> >>> > happens, as they control over 80% of the press,
> >>> > as
> >>> > Kennedy just a few weeks ago in Germany.
> >>> > Frank
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> >>> > To:
> >>> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:28 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> >>> > constitution
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > France says 'no' to EU constitution, plunging
> >>> > Europe into crisis
> >>> >
> >>> > PARIS (AFP) - French voters massively rejected
> >>> > the
> >>> > EU's first ever
> >>> > constitution, dealing a rude slap in the face to
> >>> > their governing elite
> >>> > and a potentially fatal setback to the
> >>> > continent's
> >>> > ambitious plans for
> >>> > deeper political union.
> >>> >
> >>> > European leaders fear the French "no" could have
> >>> > a
> >>> > domino effect in
> >>> > other countries planning to hold referendums --
> >>> > first of all the
> >>> > Netherlands which has a non-binding national
> >>> > vote
> >>> > on Wednesday.
> >>> > Britain has hinted it might scrap a planned
> >>> > referendum if France voted
> >>> > down the constitution.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
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