Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00070)

Dear Erica,
It is always the case, when the origins of an organization 
laid in its simplist form are good and pure and are acceptable to all, then 
it is wonderous and noble.
But as always happens others then follow and add bits on that is of benefit 
to their own cause and disregaurd the original ideals and objects, for their 
own perceived advantage.FRom them sections,lobbys, presure groups,focus 
groups all promoting their own agendas, the mis-appropriation of funds, 
dishonesty,Fraud,advantage payola and corruption.have to be sorted out and 
stopped.

So perhaps back to the basics again is what is required.
cheers
Iain
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution


> England kept their coin from the beginning of the change of the Euro, 
> while all the other countries in EU eliminated their coin changing it to 
> Euro. Well about people thinking for themselves that would be a sweet 
> dream. All this people that voted against the EU most of them are 
> influenced by extremists, anarquists and the worst most of them which 
> voted against the EU did not read it. One of the biggest fears in the air 
> was the possibility of Turkey to join the EU. TO unity respecting the 
> diversity intrinsic to every people and culture in Europe was a noble step 
> towards the ideals of Universal Brotherhood. The EU constitution is quite 
> noble and if you read it you may judge by yourself.
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> There is nothing like equality in terms of perception and ability to 
> understand. They should have at least established some parameters for the 
> people to vote which would be to read the EU and to proof that one did so. 
> Every people considers itself better than other people Greeks they think 
> they are the best people on earth, as much Germans think the same and also 
> the French and so on and so forth.
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>
> All this discourse people can think by themselves is an illusion. Go and 
> ask someone which are the main projects running into the national 
> congress, who are the senators, or who are the members of the parliament I 
> think you hardly is going to find someone able to answer this for you. But 
> they can answer that they do not like the Greeks in the corner.
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> Erica
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> Cass Silva <silva_cass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What I think is really fantastic about all this is that people are 
> starting to think for themselves and not be mesmerized by the politicians.
> If England can retain its own currency and still be part of the EU, why 
> cant the other countries in Europe do the same? The immigration clause 
> seems to be the hurdle as people don't want to risk their income. The 
> immigration system worked well here because we needed more people, but in 
> Europe, this is the opposite, some of the poorer EU countries can hardly 
> afford to keep their own without putting more pressure on locals by having 
> immigrant workers prepared work for lower wages.
>
> My daughters have been in UK for 5 years now and both say that immigration 
> has caused many problems there, especially with the Jamaicans.
> Cass
>
>
> Iain wrote:
> Dear Erica,
> Sorry, but there is no crisis in Europe. Yes there are a
> few problems,If you look back to my Email to Cass the other day , I think 
> I
> have explained that the problem is that the politicians who are riding the
> gravy train have hit the buffers, the people have flexed their muscles and
> said we are not going to let politicians tell us what is good for us.The
> vast majority of Europeans want to keep their own identities, parliments 
> and
> regional variations, we want a loose confederation of countries all 
> working
> and co-operating together. Greece has had it hard with the economy, but so
> has many other EU member states. We in the UK saw what was going to happen
> with the single currency, so we opted out, that is why the Pound is strong
> against the US Dollar and the Euro.Germany,s economy was damaged with the
> unification of East and West, the afflunt West Germany suddenly had to 
> deal
> with the rebuilding and development of East germany, but on top of that 
> the
> change from the mark to the Euro, made their economy unstable, buisnesses
> had to cut back causing high unemployment then, with migrant workers from
> the former Warsaw Pact countries has caused resentment as the indiginous
> people now have to compete harder for jobs for lesser wages.
> The Constitutional vote has been the only weapon that the people have
> to make the politicians to stop,think and revalue their stratagy. I do not
> think that the people are against Europe, I beleive this is a benefit to
> all, there are things that are not right and have to be fixed and sorted.
> The EU will continue as it has been for years, it is now that those that 
> are
> making large amounts of money from the EU, wether it has been by subsidy,
> back slapping, or down right fraud, has to be stopped before the EU will
> work properly. THose profesional polititians who flit between, 
> Brussels,and
> Strasburg and where-ever with there free travel, free meals and 
> subsistance
> allowance that is second to none. Their answer is simple , just have 
> another
> series of meetings, and if we cannot solve the problem, then just have
> another series of meetings.
> cheers Iain
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erica Letzerich"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution
>
>
> > Well lets wish the best solution will be found to pass through this
> > crisis without major problems and conflicts. Germany has risen from
> > ashes and maybe such problem will be easy for them to deal with if
> > they decide to leave the EU. But I am afraid it will be no so easy
> > for Greece to deal with.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> > wrote:
> > > Erica, you misunderstand me if you think I write
> > > about political views.
> > > I write about mundane dangers from a theosophical
> > > view, which deals rather with principles and truth
> > > than with ideologies.
> > > When HPB warned the world about the conspiracy of
> > > the commune and that socialism and communism will
> > > lead to a bloodshed for millions she had no
> > > political agenda at all.
> > > Her business was compassion and brotherhood. The
> > > 20th Century justified her.
> > >
> > > The same can be said from HPB's esoteric
> > > successor, Katherine Tingley:. and her certain
> > > clear and in the aftermath justified warnings and
> > > protest concernings serveral incidents which
> > > opened the Pandora's box:
> > > 1913 against FED-coup; honored Senator Lindbergh
> > > who opposed FED
> > > 1916 against US war with innocent Germany
> > > 1917 against Balfour declaration
> > > 1918 against Wilson's break of his 14 points for
> > > Germany, intrigued by Samule Untermeyer
> > > 1919 against Versailles "treaty" with the "desk of
> > > the unknown ones", warnings to FM
> > > 1922-26 her propaganda tours throu Germany against
> > > the foreign rule and stealing Germany's colonies
> > >
> > > to name but a few conspiracies of the brothers of
> > > the shadow against humanity.
> > > KT had like HPB no political agenda. Her business
> > > was also compassion and brotherhood.
> > >
> > > The Euro has no future as also the EC monster,
> > > which is rather an Adyar-like parody of what HPB
> > > understood by brotherhood.
> > > The "elite" (if there is any after the
> > > "liberation") in Germany discourses now publicly
> > > the return to the Mark.
> > > The EC is the continued Allied war against Germany
> > > with economial means.
> > > When Germany will soon shake off the
> > > Jewish-Freemasonry foreign rule (she has proofed
> > > it in the past several times that she is able to
> > > make such a wonder happen) a new and true German
> > > government (not a puppet regime we have now as
> > > also in Iraq and Afghanistan), Germany will end
> > > the biological, ecological, economical, military
> > > and national soul atroticies against her and leave
> > > the EC.
> > > That will be the end for that satanic monster as
> > > Germany has paid more than $300 Billon for it
> > > (extorted protection money) for the luck of its
> > > bitter enemies.
> > > Without the milk cow Germany there will be no EC
> > > and no NATO.
> > >
> > > From that point of view your statement looks a
> > > little bit silly as with the EC and NATO councils
> > > in Brussels the high degrees of the East coast
> > > control Europe.
> > > Only without Euro, EC and NATO Europe will be free
> > > again.
> > >
> > > More and more people awake from 60-years hypnosis
> > > the "independent" mass media forced upon the
> > > innocent peoples.
> > > I'll keep the fingers crossed that the Communists
> > > will receive many more NO votes and the planned
> > > Super-GDR with complete Stasi-control plus Western
> > > Computer technology will not happen.
> > > Otherwise we will be over the point of no return
> > > and kali yuga will come.
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> > > constitution
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Frank,
> > >
> > > As it seems we do not share the same political
> > > views so would be
> > > pointless to discuss about it. :) If a domino
> > > effect really takes
> > > place Europe is going to pass through a crisis,
> > > one more between so
> > > many in its history. They rush into changing the
> > > coin into Euro, of
> > > course the Euro also will fall eventually (if the
> > > NO goes on)
> > > affecting the economy in Europe. And that will be
> > > for the happiness
> > > of USA economy which was challenged with the Euro.
> > > Bush must be
> > > laughing of happiness right now.
> > >
> > > Erica
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank
> > > Reitemeyer"
> > > wrote:
> > > > Erica (I like your German first name), and The
> > > > Netherlands says also NO.
> > > > The German people would have also liked to say
> > > > NO,
> > > > but "our" "agents" did not ask us, the
> > > > "sovereign".
> > > > Thank you to the French and the Deutch!
> > > > You have saved Germany, too.
> > > >
> > > > The freemasonic bolshevistic counsil system in
> > > > Brussels is balked.
> > > >
> > > > In the USA they had more success right now.
> > > > Markus
> > > > Wolff, ex Jewish boss of the GDR sadistic and
> > > > satanistic Stasi secret service is since Jan. 01
> > > > consulter of the Department for Homeland
> > > > Security,
> > > > which is an imitation of the monster Stasi.
> > > >
> > > > The US gojim do not read about what REALLY
> > > > happens, as they control over 80% of the press,
> > > > as
> > > > Kennedy just a few weeks ago in Germany.
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> > > > constitution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > France says 'no' to EU constitution, plunging
> > > > Europe into crisis
> > > >
> > > > PARIS (AFP) - French voters massively rejected
> > > > the
> > > > EU's first ever
> > > > constitution, dealing a rude slap in the face to
> > > > their governing elite
> > > > and a potentially fatal setback to the
> > > > continent's
> > > > ambitious plans for
> > > > deeper political union.
> > > >
> > > > European leaders fear the French "no" could have
> > > > a
> > > > domino effect in
> > > > other countries planning to hold referendums --
> > > > first of all the
> > > > Netherlands which has a non-binding national
> > > > vote
> > > > on Wednesday.
> > > > Britain has hinted it might scrap a planned
> > > > referendum if France voted
> > > > down the constitution.
> > > >
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