Theos-Talk Archives (June 2005 Message tt00067)

Dear Cass,
I agree,the public are not fooled by politicians, here in the 
UK,the satire and comedy shows have been the most powerful weapon . so much 
so, that some shows were pulled from the air, in case it influenced the 
elections
programmes such as "Spiting Image" which was basically a latex rubber puppet 
show was watched by millions and politicians ran scared, much of the 
material turned out to be nearer the truth than just a writers imagination 
running wild!So many politicians were siting very uncomfortably , they were 
glad to see the end of the show.
For any democracy to succeed, the questioning of those who seek high 
office in why "such-and-such" happens,or is proposed,is there alternatives 
that are better has to be encouraged. As Abraham Lincoln said you can fool 
some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all the people all 
the time.. So when some one puts themselves forward as a candidate for 
whatever political party, the question that I ask ,is are they wanting to do 
good and improove their comunity, or whats in it for them what are they 
going to gain from that position and what influence and benefit are they 
after?
I think the people of Europe are now thinking along these lines,
Immigration seems to be the major issue in many countries,In Scotland 
it has been less of a problem in fact population decline is. Scotland is 
actively encouraging people to settle here. Unfortunatly in some of the 
poorer areas there is a lack of understanding when newcomers have attempted 
to settle conflict particularly by ill informed youths have been regretable, 
fortunatly this has only been an isolated handful of cases.THe overwelming 
situation is that newcomers are welcomed and encouraged.
I cannot say that for the other countries in the UK, I've been 
spending more time in England over the past couple of years, the major 
cities are a melting pot of Humanity,however there is racial tention there 
but this is fueled by the "far-right " neo-nazi groups, who do not want to 
understand cultural differences of any nationality.
I,ve been to Bradford, Birmingham and other major conurbations. I can see 
"ghettos" and areas were it it is almost exclusively "ethnic minorities",To 
understand why this has happened is perhaps not as complex as it seems.
when a newcomer arrives in a new land, they have no family or friends to 
rely on orgive support,so a newcomer will orientate toward same speaking 
cultural background, with more newcomers arriving to an area then attraction 
to that area will then occur, the problem arises when the indiginous 
population not understanding or prepared to understand misconstrue 
intentions then conflict arises.
After WWII there was a large influx of imigration to the UK, many of 
the newcomers were ex-service men and women who helped Britain in the war, 
seeing a better standard of living and that jobs were readily available, 
jobs that were being seen as menial or degrading, were readily taken up by 
the newcomers. So people who as an Empire or Commonwealth Soldier putting 
there lives on the line for the UK was perfectly entitled to settle here. 
THe harsh reality when they settled here is something that was shameful to 
the British Nation, The lack of understanding and tollerance left much to be 
desired. However, things have moved on since those days 50 years ago, 
Britain is a good mix of multi-cultural diversity, Britain has introduced a 
minimum wage policy therefore in theory there cannot be an "undercutting" of 
wages, so that the person up for a job cannot agree to do the job for less, 
perhaps this is an area that other contries should adopt therefor when job 
aplicants go for a job it is on a level plying field and it is there 
abilities and aptitude that a candidate is selected and no other reason.
It was initially claimed that this minimum wage would damage 
buisnesses, cut jobs, harm the economy &etc,&etc, all of which have not been 
the case.
Where about in the UK is your Daughters, from what you say I 
would hazard a guess that it is in London?
Which has over 6,000,000 people so general problems will no doubt be 
encountered, I think the Jamacian problems is with the "yardie" element, 
basically organized crime, heavily linked with the drug scene, a lot of turf 
wars, shootings etc and many other activities.
cheers for now
Iain

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution


> What I think is really fantastic about all this is that people are 
> starting to think for themselves and not be mesmerized by the politicians.
> If England can retain its own currency and still be part of the EU, why 
> cant the other countries in Europe do the same? The immigration clause 
> seems to be the hurdle as people don't want to risk their income. The 
> immigration system worked well here because we needed more people, but in 
> Europe, this is the opposite, some of the poorer EU countries can hardly 
> afford to keep their own without putting more pressure on locals by having 
> immigrant workers prepared work for lower wages.
>
> My daughters have been in UK for 5 years now and both say that immigration 
> has caused many problems there, especially with the Jamaicans.
> Cass
>
>
> Iain <ibse03888@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear Erica,
> Sorry, but there is no crisis in Europe. Yes there are a
> few problems,If you look back to my Email to Cass the other day , I think 
> I
> have explained that the problem is that the politicians who are riding the
> gravy train have hit the buffers, the people have flexed their muscles and
> said we are not going to let politicians tell us what is good for us.The
> vast majority of Europeans want to keep their own identities, parliments 
> and
> regional variations, we want a loose confederation of countries all 
> working
> and co-operating together. Greece has had it hard with the economy, but so
> has many other EU member states. We in the UK saw what was going to happen
> with the single currency, so we opted out, that is why the Pound is strong
> against the US Dollar and the Euro.Germany,s economy was damaged with the
> unification of East and West, the afflunt West Germany suddenly had to 
> deal
> with the rebuilding and development of East germany, but on top of that 
> the
> change from the mark to the Euro, made their economy unstable, buisnesses
> had to cut back causing high unemployment then, with migrant workers from
> the former Warsaw Pact countries has caused resentment as the indiginous
> people now have to compete harder for jobs for lesser wages.
> The Constitutional vote has been the only weapon that the people have
> to make the politicians to stop,think and revalue their stratagy. I do not
> think that the people are against Europe, I beleive this is a benefit to
> all, there are things that are not right and have to be fixed and sorted.
> The EU will continue as it has been for years, it is now that those that 
> are
> making large amounts of money from the EU, wether it has been by subsidy,
> back slapping, or down right fraud, has to be stopped before the EU will
> work properly. THose profesional polititians who flit between, 
> Brussels,and
> Strasburg and where-ever with there free travel, free meals and 
> subsistance
> allowance that is second to none. Their answer is simple , just have 
> another
> series of meetings, and if we cannot solve the problem, then just have
> another series of meetings.
> cheers Iain
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Erica Letzerich"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU constitution
>
>
> > Well lets wish the best solution will be found to pass through this
> > crisis without major problems and conflicts. Germany has risen from
> > ashes and maybe such problem will be easy for them to deal with if
> > they decide to leave the EU. But I am afraid it will be no so easy
> > for Greece to deal with.
> >
> > Erica
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Reitemeyer"
> > wrote:
> > > Erica, you misunderstand me if you think I write
> > > about political views.
> > > I write about mundane dangers from a theosophical
> > > view, which deals rather with principles and truth
> > > than with ideologies.
> > > When HPB warned the world about the conspiracy of
> > > the commune and that socialism and communism will
> > > lead to a bloodshed for millions she had no
> > > political agenda at all.
> > > Her business was compassion and brotherhood. The
> > > 20th Century justified her.
> > >
> > > The same can be said from HPB's esoteric
> > > successor, Katherine Tingley:. and her certain
> > > clear and in the aftermath justified warnings and
> > > protest concernings serveral incidents which
> > > opened the Pandora's box:
> > > 1913 against FED-coup; honored Senator Lindbergh
> > > who opposed FED
> > > 1916 against US war with innocent Germany
> > > 1917 against Balfour declaration
> > > 1918 against Wilson's break of his 14 points for
> > > Germany, intrigued by Samule Untermeyer
> > > 1919 against Versailles "treaty" with the "desk of
> > > the unknown ones", warnings to FM
> > > 1922-26 her propaganda tours throu Germany against
> > > the foreign rule and stealing Germany's colonies
> > >
> > > to name but a few conspiracies of the brothers of
> > > the shadow against humanity.
> > > KT had like HPB no political agenda. Her business
> > > was also compassion and brotherhood.
> > >
> > > The Euro has no future as also the EC monster,
> > > which is rather an Adyar-like parody of what HPB
> > > understood by brotherhood.
> > > The "elite" (if there is any after the
> > > "liberation") in Germany discourses now publicly
> > > the return to the Mark.
> > > The EC is the continued Allied war against Germany
> > > with economial means.
> > > When Germany will soon shake off the
> > > Jewish-Freemasonry foreign rule (she has proofed
> > > it in the past several times that she is able to
> > > make such a wonder happen) a new and true German
> > > government (not a puppet regime we have now as
> > > also in Iraq and Afghanistan), Germany will end
> > > the biological, ecological, economical, military
> > > and national soul atroticies against her and leave
> > > the EC.
> > > That will be the end for that satanic monster as
> > > Germany has paid more than $300 Billon for it
> > > (extorted protection money) for the luck of its
> > > bitter enemies.
> > > Without the milk cow Germany there will be no EC
> > > and no NATO.
> > >
> > > From that point of view your statement looks a
> > > little bit silly as with the EC and NATO councils
> > > in Brussels the high degrees of the East coast
> > > control Europe.
> > > Only without Euro, EC and NATO Europe will be free
> > > again.
> > >
> > > More and more people awake from 60-years hypnosis
> > > the "independent" mass media forced upon the
> > > innocent peoples.
> > > I'll keep the fingers crossed that the Communists
> > > will receive many more NO votes and the planned
> > > Super-GDR with complete Stasi-control plus Western
> > > Computer technology will not happen.
> > > Otherwise we will be over the point of no return
> > > and kali yuga will come.
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> > > constitution
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Frank,
> > >
> > > As it seems we do not share the same political
> > > views so would be
> > > pointless to discuss about it. :) If a domino
> > > effect really takes
> > > place Europe is going to pass through a crisis,
> > > one more between so
> > > many in its history. They rush into changing the
> > > coin into Euro, of
> > > course the Euro also will fall eventually (if the
> > > NO goes on)
> > > affecting the economy in Europe. And that will be
> > > for the happiness
> > > of USA economy which was challenged with the Euro.
> > > Bush must be
> > > laughing of happiness right now.
> > >
> > > Erica
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Frank
> > > Reitemeyer"
> > > wrote:
> > > > Erica (I like your German first name), and The
> > > > Netherlands says also NO.
> > > > The German people would have also liked to say
> > > > NO,
> > > > but "our" "agents" did not ask us, the
> > > > "sovereign".
> > > > Thank you to the French and the Deutch!
> > > > You have saved Germany, too.
> > > >
> > > > The freemasonic bolshevistic counsil system in
> > > > Brussels is balked.
> > > >
> > > > In the USA they had more success right now.
> > > > Markus
> > > > Wolff, ex Jewish boss of the GDR sadistic and
> > > > satanistic Stasi secret service is since Jan. 01
> > > > consulter of the Department for Homeland
> > > > Security,
> > > > which is an imitation of the monster Stasi.
> > > >
> > > > The US gojim do not read about what REALLY
> > > > happens, as they control over 80% of the press,
> > > > as
> > > > Kennedy just a few weeks ago in Germany.
> > > > Frank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Erica Letzerich"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World France says 'no' to EU
> > > > constitution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > France says 'no' to EU constitution, plunging
> > > > Europe into crisis
> > > >
> > > > PARIS (AFP) - French voters massively rejected
> > > > the
> > > > EU's first ever
> > > > constitution, dealing a rude slap in the face to
> > > > their governing elite
> > > > and a potentially fatal setback to the
> > > > continent's
> > > > ambitious plans for
> > > > deeper political union.
> > > >
> > > > European leaders fear the French "no" could have
> > > > a
> > > > domino effect in
> > > > other countries planning to hold referendums --
> > > > first of all the
> > > > Netherlands which has a non-binding national
> > > > vote
> > > > on Wednesday.
> > > > Britain has hinted it might scrap a planned
> > > > referendum if France voted
> > > > down the constitution.
> > > >
> > > >
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