Re: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
Apr 22, 2005 04:57 AM
by Peter Daley
Thankyou for all that.
I am aware of the mistake in Jung'sfirst name, but love
to be reminded as it shows that the website has been read.
It is many years since I read Ouspensky, and so you
are probably right.
I am impressed by the statement that you have read the
Treatise On Cosmic Fire many times.I struggled with it
just once.The section on the Devic Kingdom does not
get the recognition which it should have.
I never found any bias to Christianity in AB's works, but
then I only have four them.
Regards speculation as to the sex of the next and final
Great Avatar; I was told that the male form is more
suited for this as a representative of the Positive.
Also, that it will be in the Full Aspects, and not as the 4th
as in previous cases. This means there will be no need to
enter by birth, and no need for a prologed education and
iniating process, but will arrive in the full power. The
prospect is quite awesome.
It is very seldom that the Cosmic Masters leave their
planetary base in all the Full Aspect.
I would love to be around when it happens.
Such beings are sexless, they are both male and female,
and there is a the Third factor which is neither.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
Hallo Peter and all,
My views are:
I do enjoy when some of you, who are interested in Alice A. Bailey drop a
few
words on her teachings. Especially - because they are so influential
in theosophical circles as well as United Nations circles these days.
Your below email tells me, that you are not totally pro the Bailey
teachings.
My below words are wellmeant so to be of some help to you and other
Seekers.
1) The Treatise onCosmic Fire
I have read it many times.
a)
Peter you wrote:
"Because she was a very devout Christian, it should
not be surprising to find a bias in some of her works,"
May I politely ask:
Why should it not be that?
Remember, we are talking about theosophy on a global scale, seven planes
and
all.
What is it in Christianity, which makes its promotion so important?
b) In a Treatise on Cosmic Fire we find the following:
"In A Treatise on Cosmic Fire the Tibetan has given us what H. P.
Blavatsky
prophesied he would give, namely, the psychological key to the Cosmic
Creation. H.P.B. stated that in the 20th century a disciple would come who
would give the psychological key to her own monumental work The Secret
Doctrine on which treatise the Tibetan worked with her; and Alice A.
Bailey
worked in complete recognition of her own task in this sequence.
Tunbridge Wells, December 1950
Foster Bailey"
http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/fire/fire1001.html
also
http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1085.html (The
Autobiography)
It is difficult to agree upon that view by Foster Bailey and Alice A.
Bailey
Daniel Caldwell at least in part shows why at this website:
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/latermessengers.htm (Part 5)
It is a useful bok to some students, I agee with you upon that.
The question is, what needs to gain in influence - among various
writings -
these days ?
Is it the Alice A. Bailey books?
I say No.
2)
About your own website.
a)
You write somewhere about
"Gurdjieff's Cosmogony, so ably expressed by Ouspensky"
This must to a certain degree be a mistake.
Gurdjieff's teachings was not very well understood by
Ouspensky, who in fact distorted them because he didn't
understand the use of the - keys - used by Gurdjieff in his own writings.
He didn't relate his teachings very well to
the scinece of "time, place and people".
Gurdjieff's teaching is today a relic. His teachings has not been
continued,
because none of his succesors have been in possesion of the keys
needed to do so.
From one of the insiders we have that Gurdjieff's teachings are of a form
used by the Khagjagan (Naqdhbandi) - ie. The Sufi Masters.
Gurdjieff's presentations of Sufic methods on various of his writings
are done in a random like manner, which is not
in accordance with Sufi usage. They are being aimed at an 'accidential'
rather than a chosen community or circle.
b) Just a few ramblings.
The more that the pro-Baileys pictures their "coming of the Avatar"
as a "HE" I am inclined to ponder that the Avatar is for sure
planning to arrive as a "SHE" - so to by surprise teach the Seekers
something.
:-)
c) You are mentioning Jung on your website.
I think it would be well for you to know, that Jung was named Carl Gustav
Jung
and not Sigmund Jung. Who is Sigmund Jung?
Interestingly Jung's psychology was very well known as early as the years
11-1300.
The Jungian archetypal theory was known to Sufis in ancient times.
(Try R. Landau "The Philosophy of Ibn Arabi"; 1959)
Some says that Freud was a Rosicrucian.
(About dating conventions
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/dates.html)
d) I am not out to bash you.
I am just trying to point out some irrelevancies.
All the talks you have about planes, karma and spiritual development
can be useful to some Seekers - no doubt about that.
It is great that you are deeply interested in spiritual devleopment
and the like. Nearly all of us at Theos-talk are that.
Some more than others.
from
M. Sufilight
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Daley" <phdaley@bigpond.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
Greetings Daniel, M.Suflight and All,
It all depends on the Bailey books you read.
I prefer the Treatise onCosmic Fire. There is nothing suggesting a bias
to
any
religion in that work, and I regard it as a textbook of Metaphysics.
I would be interested to know if the critics of A.Bailey's work have
ever
read
"The Treatise on Cosmic Fire", it is not an easy book to read.
It pays to be selective. Because she was a very devout Christian, it
should
not
be surprising to find a bias in some of her works, just as HPB had a
strong
preference for the Hindu traditions, and never had a good word for the
Catholic Church, and showed complete intolerance of Jesuits.
There is more advanced theosophical teaching by George King, but his
practical
work as a specialist in the Occult and Metaphysical Operations, was more
concerned
with Mother Earth and our survival into a New Age.
It can be seen that there have been three phases in the development of
Theosophy.
It might be of interest to theosophists generally, to consider why the
Theosophical
Organisation was not considered suitable for the New Age transmissions,
and
for
Metaphysical Operations.
You checked their website (www.aetherius.org).
I would recommend some of the books,
"ContactWith The Gods From Space" for starters, only a small one of 153
pages .
But the essence is in "The Twelve Blessings" (63 pages ) for purely
spiritual,
but larger 200in "The Nine Freedoms" for philosophy, outlining Evolution
into Freedo
beyond anything which has ever been disclosed before. It has a
devestating
effect
on religious philosophy, and offers a challenge to all theosophists.
So far, I have not heard of any Theosophists able to take the teaching
of The Aetherius Society, and seem quite content to argue the merits of
HPB
and AB.
My website is "Metaphysics and The New Age"(www.users.bigond.com/phdaley)
You will find that the concerns of The Aetherius Society are somewhat
different, and
show a distinct preference for practical spiritual work.
Truth is there in agreement with Theosophy, but more of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
Hallo Peter Daley and all,
My views are:
I have been pro-Bailey in Denmark.
The below show some of the reasons why I changed my views on the Bailey
teachings.
Try for instance to read the following - and if
you are interested let me or others know your views on it:
1.
"
a) The Bailey books are not a balanced multicultural presentation on
Theosophy.
b) The Bailey books leans heavily towards a Chrisitan outlook unto the
world. The consequences of this will show up in the present information
society.
c) The Middle East is hardly mentioned in the books, but the Christian
religion gets a whole lot of coverage.
d) The books were NOT intended for a Middle Eastern audience. Today
communication is rapid - due to the Internet. The audience is different
today.
e) Bailey groups are connected with work at The United Nations,
Headquarters.
f) Because of that they are politically involved, and that on an
international level.
h) This is today one of the problems the books of Bailey creates in
TODAYS
international information society, where there are clearly visible
political
tensions between the Western politicians and The Middle Eastern ones."
http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200301/tt00435.html
2.
And also
http://theos-talk.com/archives/200301/tt00264.html
An exceprt from that link is the following:
"Esoteric Psychology I; p. 167:
"...note chat this movement was started by a secret society which has
[167]
existed in the world since the last period of seventh ray dominance in
Atlantean times.
Every great religion which arises is under the influence of one or other
of
the rays, but it does not necessarily follow that each successive ray
should
have a great far-reaching religion as its outcome. We have heard that
Brahmanism is the last great religion which arose under first ray
influence;
we do not know what may have been the religion which was the outcome of
the
last second ray period; but the Chaldean, the Egyptian and the
Zoroastrian
religions may be taken as representing the third, the fourth, and the
fifth
rays respectively. Christianity and probably Buddhism were the result of
sixth ray influence. Mohammedanism, which numbers so large a following,
is
also under sixth ray influence, but it is not a great root religion,
being
a
hybrid offshoot of Christianity with the tinge of Judaism."
http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/psychology1/psyc1050.html
"
And George King?
I find the Aetherius Society website to be very unclear about what they
are
actually teaching.
Maybe you would care to tell me or others about the enhancement, that
teaching
contains?
from
M. Sufilight with pece and love...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Daley" <phdaley@bigpond.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
What about Alice Bailey and George King? This is the modern version.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:09 AM
Subject: Theos-World The Fountain Source of Modern Theosophy
Our modern knowledge of Theosophy sprang
from two sources: The Mahatma Letters and
the writings of H.P. Blavatsky.
Read more at:
http://blavatskyarchives.com/moderntheosophy.htm
Daniel
http://hpb.cc
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