Theos-Talk Archives (May 2004 Message tt00073)

Hallo all,

My views are:

To Dallas:
I do not think that we can make the Upanishads with their conversations
invalid either.
At least not since HPB herself said that they were almost identical to
theosophical teachings.

In the ancient times, conversation and disputes within the spiritual field
were common in India.
The sage Shankararchya held view, that this practise were quite allright.
He had disputes with several learned men of his time.
Even today it is accepted by many in India as being of importance.

So it is not valid today ?
Or is it so that it is often misused when emailing ? Simply because many
newcomers email way too much ?

Sometimes there is more beneath an opinion than one might think at first
sight.
And we might learn from it.

Well, these were my views.

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "krishtar" <krishtar_a@brturbo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>; "AA-BNStudy" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World recorders on Karma?


Thursday, May 06, 2004


Dear K

"My point of view" ? You ask about it?

I try to coincide with the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS -- which, so few people
seem to be familiar with. (If they were, they would answer their own
questions.)

No one can talk about THEOSOPHY unless they are familiar with the
"fundamentals" and the "sources."

-How come! So there is no theosophy to talk and think about if not based in
HPBīs teachings?
and what about those mystic men that gained their iluminantion without ever
pout their eyes in any theosophical book?
Example?
Ramanha Maharshi! He letf school very soon and his only access to a " higher
awareness" was through self development, so great it was that many
researchers and seekers came to Him jut to gather his light, in his holy
presence.
He was more buddhist and advanced in evolution than any student who knows
the entire SD by heart.
And he seldon talked.

In my view, "opinions" are useless. We are not seeking entertainment
and arguments, but rather to be strictly "Theosophical," we ought to
be seeking for TRUTH. The we conserve tie and do not waste it.

-Itīs not the case of looking for fun or not in theosophy.If opinion is, as
you state, useless, why to participate in a group where we can learn from
each other?
-So what do we learn from each other?
-Excuse me but I donīt really agree with this. If there something to share
in this list are opinions, views and quotes , comparisons, free
interpretation, reflexion.
-Whatīs seeking for truth for you?
-Quoting what it is written?And no opinion involved?


Another point.

Are "opinions" of any use to any one? If they are incorrect, then
those who might adopt them are misled and may mislead others.

-But it doesnīt mean that they are useless.

If there are cases of such abuse, then the ripple of adverse Karma
goes on ad infinitum down the rolling waves of passing centuries - and
the originator of falsities bears a huge amount of guilt.

Can you imagine how much adverse Karma is actually born by those who
pervert a "religions" or, "historical events"?

-Yes, I tend to agree on this, but you are giving here an extreme situation,
not applicable in a trade of points of view .
-Excuse me but the folloing states that you are making the job of an
archivist:

My objective then, is to make those ORIGINAL SOURCES available, and
thus everyone can make up their own minds from the evidence.


Of course, if you don't like the idea of KARMA, or the concept of
continued responsibility under the law of REINCARNATION, and their
infinite progress -- as the Eternal Pilgrim in every human as in
every atom of matter, and, of the Egoic Monad, then Theosophy has
little to offer.

-Dallas, I hope it is only a brief and distorted view of mine but you look
here too much full of yourself.
I hope it is an illusion.

So it boils down finally to a question of "liking" or "disliking."
And that is to me wishy-washy -- uncertain, vague and a waste of
everyone's time.

-No matter how we argue about the validity or not validity of opinions, you
are offering yours, anyway.
My like or dislike about karma is not in discussion, because itīd soon
become a judgement.
I once met a friend that whenever i asked him a question about something
more philosophical he rushed to his old and worn-out Holy Bible to find the
exact explanation and the exact approximation to what he was trying to
express due to my question.
I found it very curious because I wondered where was the wisdom by being
aware of the exact localization of every versicle and chapter of his Bible?
He also used to say that the Bible had aways got an answer.He then ended the
chat telling me :
"There is no need to read any other book than the Bible, books are
inventions of those who want to earn money selling them.
All you need is Bible, all the answers are here."


Dallas,
Letīs not take it to offenses, i do really appreciate your posts...they
always have something good to offer.
But I didnīt understand your stating that opinions are not valid.
I think they do, but they must be always questioned and discussed, as much
as all we read.

Have a nice day

Krishtar




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