Theos-Talk Archives (May 2004 Message tt00064)

Thursday, May 06, 2004 


Dear K

"My point of view" ? You ask about it?  

I try to coincide with the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS -- which, so few people
seem to be familiar with. (If they were, they would answer their own
questions.) 

No one can talk about THEOSOPHY unless they are familiar with the
"fundamentals" and the "sources."

In my view, "opinions" are useless. We are not seeking entertainment
and arguments, but rather to be strictly "Theosophical," we ought to
be seeking for TRUTH. The we conserve tie and do not waste it. 

Another point.  

Are "opinions" of any use to any one? If they are incorrect, then
those who might adopt them are misled and may mislead others.  

If there are cases of such abuse, then the ripple of adverse Karma
goes on ad infinitum down the rolling waves of passing centuries - and
the originator of falsities bears a huge amount of guilt.   

Can you imagine how much adverse Karma is actually born by those who
pervert a "religions" or, "historical events"? 

My objective then, is to make those ORIGINAL SOURCES available, and
thus everyone can make up their own minds from the evidence. 

Of course, if you don't like the idea of KARMA, or the concept of
continued responsibility under the law of REINCARNATION, and their
infinite progress -- as the Eternal Pilgrim in every human as in
every atom of matter, and, of the Egoic Monad, then Theosophy has
little to offer. 

So it boils down finally to a question of "liking" or "disliking."
And that is to me wishy-washy -- uncertain, vague and a waste of
everyone's time. 

Dallas

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PS

So what are those so troublesome FUNDAMENTALS OF THEOSOPHY 


For a deeper grasp of Theosophical doctrines one ought to read
H.P.B.’s small book THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY (307 pages) as many of your
questions are to be found answered there. As to the scheme of the
total EVOLUTION, the SECRET DOCTRINE, Vol. I gives the most detail.
But if you want to see a condensed survey then get a copy of Mr. W. Q.
Judge’s THE OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY (180 pages). The value of the OCEAN OF
THEOSOPHY—it condenses the SECRET DOCTRINE

Read in the “OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY” Chapters: 2 (General Principles),
3 (The Earth Chain), 4. (the Septenary Constitution of Man, 14.
(Cycles—of Time and of Evolution), 15, (Differentiation of Species
and Missing Links). This will give you an idea of the coherence of
the theosophical Philosophy.


TIME is only a method of dividing eternal duration into segments of
memory relating to the experiences of the ETERNAL PILGRIM (or MONAD --
the SPIRIT and MATTER combined).  

OUR PHYSICAL BODY   

[ Is modeled upon the Astral Form, which is interior to it --
this Astral Form is an electro- magnetic lattice work on which
physical molecules and atoms arrange themselves. ]

Our life time in this body is relatively short. But the interior
SPIRITUAL MAN is an ETERNAL BEING. To it this life-time is like a
“day” in the vast unending School of Experience. The object of this
eternal School of experience is to teach the Monad all that can be
learned. It is a vast and long process and we are in the middle of
it. We will all reincarnate again as we have done for many times in
the past,. Using different names and perhaps living in different
places.


SPIRIT - DEITY is EVERYWHERE [It is present in us already.]

One might say: The DEITY (GOD) ENCOMPASSES, and IS IN EVERYTHING.
This includes us. We are aware of this fact in our hearts. It is our
“heads” and the material and physical limits of our brains and bodies
that give us difficulty. But those same physical and material forms
we live in and use, are themselves Monads evolving with our help. In
a way, although all are eternal, some come to man’s thinking level
earlier than others. It then becomes their duty to assist their
“younger brothers.” We are doing that, and sometimes the contact with
the “less progressed” makes us feel we are not the agents of the
Universal spirit (Deity). It is this temporary error we have to
overcome once we become aware of its existence. It is we who,
recognizing “ILLUSION” who have to eliminate it by adhering to the
TRUE, the GOOD, and the MERCIFUL.


THREE BASIC PRINCIPLES.
Basically the concept and facts are: 


1	UNIVERSAL SPIRIT -- THE DEITY WITHIN US AND ALL ELSE

1. the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT, in order to “KNOW ITSELF,” fragments itself
during Manifestation into numerous small life-units (called MONADS—and
consisting of the DUALITY of SPIRIT / Matter—or INTELLIGENCE within a
FORM. There is a third component: the MIND.

Note: the intelligence component (3rd) is MIND, and, together with
SPIRIT and MATTER this IMMORTAL TRIAD works through the long, long
years of experience in manifestation towards a thorough understanding
of the composition of the Universe and of ITSELF. Added to this are
a developing knowledge of the great Laws of life and of conscience,
which rule over all.  

In short, an atom becomes a molecule, then a cell, and then some
structure as a part of the many forms, such as mineral, vegetable and
animal. In all. It (the Monad) gathers experience and stores the
memory of those permanently in its “material” aspect (named BUDDHI or
WISDOM of all its many experiences I this and other lives).  
Thus SPIRIT is always the intelligence that it questing (and using the
Mind in our body), for the reason for its existence. And MATTER is the
accumulated memory and wisdom of the experience of an immortal which
is living through an enormous School of Experience consisting of a
very great number of incarnations..  

It must be grasped that the MONAD is AN IMMORTAL BEING, and has no
“beginning” as such—that we can trace. (see SD I 174-186) It always
was, is and will be. We, as Monads are ETERNAL PILGRIMS. And we have
locked in us the potentials of the Universal Deity (the ONE SPIRIT) of
which we are an INDISSOLUBLE PART.


2	UNIVERSAL LAW AND LAWS -- UNIVERSAL UNITY AND CAUSATION

2. Nothing in the Universe, present, past or future, occurs without
the presence of other beings. The Universe (nature) is entirely
COOPERATIVE and INTERACTIVE. No exceptions. Hence prayer, petition,
expiation penance, etc… is ineffective until the time when any harm
done to others is rectified by our direct restitution to the victim.
This is a basic fact. Hence, it is better to assist and cooperate
than to isolate ones’ self and make another a victim of our greed,
pride or desires.

Our DESIRE PRINCIPLE (named KAMA) is separate from the Mind. It has
to be scrutinized for the MOTIVES we generate, good, or bad. Using
the Mind, WE the inner SPIRITUAL SELF observe how we desire and
develop passions. If we realize that these are only one of the
sheaths of the Soul or a “vehicle,” then we will learn to control
them. 

This is the KEY TO ALL SPIRITUAL PROGRESS in our natures as we have to
realize that SELFISH AND PERSONAL DESIRE are the delusions that
separate us from all our BROTHER-MONAD (who are as eternal as we are).
We can never be free of them, so BROTHERHOOD is a distinct advantage
over enmity.
KARMA as a general expression used to indicate just, fair, merciful,
yet rigid LAW is used because the concept has been largely forgotten
in Europe during the past 2,000 years.  


3	MANIFESTATION and EVOLUTION is UNIVERSAL

.3. It is not possible to have a MANIFESTATION (or Manvantara)
without A PRIOR ONE as a basis. We, and everything else in Nature no
matter how near, small, far, or great has lived before. The forms
perish and change constantly, but the interior reigning SPIRIT is
immortal.  

NOTHING EVER EMERGES FROM NO-THING. You cannot wake up to a new day
without having gone to sleep the previous night. A human cannot start
life completely fresh and new without having previously died (as a
form) in some earlier life. New always emerges out of the remains of
a past existence. 


PAST LINKS -- REINCARNATION

Our links to the past are several: we have the eternal material of
our bodies which as “life-units,” atoms, molecules, cells, constantly
return to us to furnish the several bodies that the 7 principled
THINKER needs. Then, our SPIRIT is a “ray” of the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT
(Deity) which is omnipresent and includes the whole Universe, our
Earth, and ourselves. We are IT. But we do not yet KNOW THIS FACT.
The third chief element that is eternal in us (besides several more)
is the MIND. Our mind isolates us when in a form from other forms and
other intelligences. We cannot reach them except by words and speech.
Our ideas do not seem to influence them directly. But our actions,
our desires and our expressed ideas do make an impression.

If this is accepted, then we can see that the UNIVERSE, our SOLAR
SYSTEM, our Earth, ourselves and everything else in the world has been
IN EXISTENCE before. If you read the Bible carefully you will not
find that Jesus ever rejected reincarnation. In fact he agreed to the
concept in several places, which can be pointed out to you. [ See in
internet connection AT : http://www.blavatsky.net -- the Writings
of W. Q. Judge, articles titled:  
1. REINCARNATION IN THE BIBLE,  
2. REINCARNATION IN JUDAISM AND THE BIBLE, 
3. THEOSOPHY IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE.


IMMORTALITY IS FOR ALL    

[ After experiencing all, the Individual EGO is able
to see all. ]

3. ALL BEINGS are IMMORTAL IN ESSENCE. Remember that “GOD” is
omnipresent . It (the SPIRIT) is in ALL THINGS, from the smallest to
the greatest. It (the SPIRIT) is omniscient, and knows every secret
wish and thought of ALL BEINGS including the secrets of men and
women. It (the SPIRITUAL DEITY) is omnipotent, and to simplify Its
work of administering the COSMOS it has agents and representatives
(Dhyan Chohans, Dhyani Buddhas, Planetary Spirits, Nirmanakayas,
Mahatmas, Adepts, disciples, etc...) who follow exactly and without
any deviation the pattern of gradual and perfect EVOLUTION for ALL
BEINGS. Thus the LAWS of living in all departments of Nature are
established for a very long time, and cannot be changed by us. 

		
UNIVERSAL CONCERN FOR JUSTICE, FAIRNESS AND EQUITY FOR ALL.

The least atom is guarded, helped and preserved forever, as well as
the most foolish, or the wisest of humans. Then, from there, the
widest guidance and fairest and most just of rules is extended over
every living part and being in and of the whole galaxy and the
universe. This concept is most important as the Deity does nothing
foolish, careless, inattentively or with partiality. If one harms
another we only impress ourselves with that iniquity. We may cause
suffering to others and under Karma the exact result of that suffering
will eventually RETURN IN FULL TO US. We cannot hide away from the
consequences we generate. No prayer, no petition, no gratuity (to a
priest), or alms to a temple or church, will mitigate the pain we may
have caused, unless we go to the victims and make a full and complete
restitution. This is MOST IMPORTANT if we desire to understand our
/world and Universe in its actual and true light.


KARMA -- UNIVERSAL JUST AND IMPARTIAL LAW 

One of the most exact rules is KARMA—which says in effect: Everything
we do MORALLY will eventually return TO US as a moral SITUATION or
effect. If we do good we get good. If we do bad we get bad. You
will find on examination that Nature already CONTAINS EVERYTHING. Our
Scientists, philosophers and theologians probe and investigate into
the smallest corners of Nature to try and find out the inherent LAWS
already there. These are the three basic ideas and concepts of the
management of the whole world and universe.


DEITY (or God) as Source of ALL, and in Manifestation

If DEITY (Spirit, God) as a word representing the totality of all
beings (the UNIVERSE, NATURE) , then the substitute “GOD” (impersonal
and universal) is appropriate, and all the same rules apply. The name
we give the DEITY (or to ALL NATURE) is unimportant.  

We are not the “children of GOD or Brahma” unless we ACT LIKE lawful
and careful “children” ought to. We have to practice to be ethically
‘pure’ and, to do ‘good’ as often and as thoroughly as we can -- to
everyone and to all other beings (which are our “younger brothers”).
No exceptions. After all we never “die,” and neither do they – we
reincarnate together again and again. 

We cannot afford to “hate,” or to “characterize others” (gossip).
Hence one is able to see that separateness is the delusion and UNITY
is the conclusion of life’s excellences. THESE ARE IN THEIR TURN
BUILT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE eternal monad as TRUTHS and TRUE
EXPERIENCES of the highest and noblest type. They become the fabric
of the IMMORTAL MONAD -- THE TRUE EGO-SELF -- which is ONE WITH THE
ALL, and with every other BEING (now seen as a brother immortal, with
potencies and powers equal to ours.).


WHY PHYSICAL BODIES?

As to the purpose of using physical bodies—they are made up of
life-atoms (Monads) which, emerging from the universal MONADIC
ESSENCE, and becoming individuals, began their evolution into THINKERS
much later than we did. We are their “elder brothers.”  

As more advanced Monads in the scheme of Nature, it has become our
duty to help them advance, just as we have been helped to become as we
are now by a cadre of Elder Brothers (Adepts, Mahatmas, Buddhas, etc…)

Every plane of being in the Cosmos is one that is essential for the
whole to benefit from. So while we may think the physical body is an
impediment, it is in fact something we are still learning through..
We have not finished that kind of learning, and in doing our duty, we
also help others to do theirs. This whole Universe is a cooperative,
and NOTHING is unessential. It is our own sense of illusionary
selfishness that has caused us to believe that “ease,” and “lack of
responsibility” is a goal to be aspired to. Should not the boredom
of nothingness be a consideration? What do we do with entire “sense
deprivation?” 


EASTERN PHILOSOPHIES AND THEIR NOMENCLATURE

Some aspects of the Eastern philosophies, with new words for names and
concepts ,are difficult for us in the West, with our western
traditions, and religions. But the advantage in learning something
about them is to realize that all the Western civilization owes its
essence TO THE EAST. Every prophet points to the East as the place
they visited or learned from.  

The SAGES OF THE EAST are an undying tradition. Theosophy states that
they exist to preserve the experience acquired and the WISDOM garnered
from all past periods of evolution and in especial this particular
evolution of our Earth -- and the reason for our being attached to it.
Without that as a basis there would be no roots visible or available
for us and our sciences and arts to rely on. This is an important
concept, as it strikes with LAW and SCIENTIFIC OBSERVATION (on the
spot and at the time, however remote) at the causal beginnings for our
present existence as a whole and as an individual.

In the East, the most ancient philosophies have been preserved in
remote areas inaccessible to the average army, politics, or travelers.
There the Adepts live and have their residences. These cannot be
penetrated by ordinary means. You will find something of this
described in ISIS UNVEILED, Vol. II 95-103.


JESUS’ TEACHINGS -- HIS LEARNING

There is where Jesus learned: He visited during the years of his
exile the Jews, Egyptians, Greeks, Buddhists, Chaldeans, Assyrians,
Essenes, Ebionites, Nabatheans, and Hindus, as the Bible shows us. He
questioned, studied and learned the undying wisdom of the ORIENT, and
then, returned to the Jews in Palestine (for there was his mission)
as He says, to help them (and not to the Gentiles, who later espoused
and adopted his sayings, and today claim his patronage, but neglect to
PRACTICE his doctrines).  

One might well ask today: Who, today, actively and publicly
practices the injunctions of the SERMON ON THE MOUNT? Our
civilization and way of treating one others is definitely NOT what
JESUS TOLD US TO DO (I am speaking in general of course).  

Every Prophet or Reformer, historically, has always been found to
have visited the WISE ONES; and having learned from them, he has
returned where he can do the most good to his fellows. [ Examples:
Jesus, Pythagoras, Hermes, Zarathustra, Buddha, Lao-Tse, St. Germain,
Krishna, Apollonius of Tyanna, etc... ]


EVOLUTION IS UNIVERSAL From ATOM, TO MAN, TO STAR, to the
ALL.

It is also true that in Theosophy and particularly in the 1st Vol. of
the SECRET DOCTRINE the description we have of the evolution of Man is
declared to be in a way quite different from the speculations of our
modern archaeologists, paleontologists, and oriental theorists of all
kinds.  

Their MODERN science of observation, preservation are to be admired.
But their speculations as to causes are largely based on the motives
seen to underlie our present communities -- and those from historical
accounts, did not entirely prevail in the past. In any case these
modern sciences of ours are barely 200 to 400 years old. Archaeology
began around 1800 with Napoleon’s invasion of Egypt. Theosophy, on
the other hand is a record of the History of mankind, and of the world
and Universe which is millions of years old and is based on actual
observations made at the time of historical occurrences (which our
modern Science tries to reconstruct from relicts and fragments.) 

THEOSOPHY TEACHES HISTORY

The information that we are given in THEOSOPHY is from the eye-witness
records of the ADEPTS who actually (over incalculable ages) have
watched the development of early mankind through many ”Rounds, Globes,
and Races” (such as the Lemurians, the Atlanteans, and the early
Aryans) on the Earth.  

This development is described in S.D. I 181, and from S.D. I 156 to
202 and beyond.. Theosophy in the S.D. speaks of the eventual
evolution of the perfect 7th Race in the last Round 7th globe (S.D. I
pp. 200-2). In doing this it speaks of the total development of
understanding and wisdom in the MONADS (you and me) who are at present
undergoing the evolutionary trials and tribulations of MANASIC
development.  

Having already spent half of the period of manifestation in descending
(as a Spiritual Ego/being) the depths of Matter, we have just begun
our ASCENT of the 7-fold ladder. In this the 4th Round, Kama (desire)
is still largely prevalent. We have to realize this in order to
detach ourselves from this fatal attachment. The way, (as I
understand it) is through the examination of our MOTIVES before we do
or say anything.


MAN HAS MANY ASPECTS TO EVOLVE: BODY - MIND - DESIRES -
WISDOM

It gives us the idea that it is not only the physical form that
changes, but also the desires, feelings, and above all the MIND and
the INTUITION of the human being that is changing and improving. You
may ask what are those lines of improvement. As said above, they are
along MORAL lines—charity, service, cooperation, benevolence and
brotherhood are the main concepts to be investigated and adopted into
our practical lives


”THE MYSTERIES” -- They were ancient WISDOM-SCHOOLS.

What were called “Mysteries” in Greece and Egypt are to be fund even
today among the Wise of every climate and region. They are not
political attitudes that shift every few years, but the steady
carefully and generously applied attention to the welfare of all
others around us. If this can be spread widely, then only will our
Earth be made the Eden Paradise of fable again. Those Schools were
called Mysteries, and led the people to search for the CAUSES of their
life and conditions—just as Theosophy leads serious and devoted
students to do the same. Theosophy is the MYSTERY SCHOOL of the
present. (see ISIS UNVEILED Vol. 2 pp 95 - 103, study the entire S.D.
).  

WHAT CAN WE DO?

But as one might observe, this is difficult for us to conceive of,
because of the pressures of the daily way of living for most
individuals—who seek to guard their treasures of mind and wealth and
fear, against the anticipated possible robberies of their fellow.
What a way to live ! It is a constant but totally unnecessary war.
Some persons somewhere will have to try to reverse this trend. We
think this is the reason why Theosophy has been offered to us—to make
us think of alternatives and above all to realize that if we are in
essence IMMORTAL, then we will never need to fear death.    

Theosophy is (as we think) the MYSTERY SCHOOL of the present. (see
ISIS UNVEILED Vol. 2 pp 95 - 103, study the entire S.D. ). I would
add that the first test of devotion to truth and learning is to read
and study the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS of THEOSOPHY using the photo- or
verbatim reprints of H.P.B.’s books and articles. We may thus furnish
ourselves with the requisite material (and mental furniture) to
attempt to penetrate below the surface of physical words and phrases
(of books and articles) to the MORAL WORLD, where the desire nature
is to be confronted by the awakened MIND of each human. If one
desires the light of ATMA-BUDDHI (the MONAD and the HIGHER SELF) to
shine forth on our labors, then, a special and even a daily study of
THE VOICE OF THE SILENCE seems of great value to those who choose to
make of themselves HPB’s and the Masters’ devotees.

This makes every day, every life a good living experience, It makes
our purposes more valuable and our attention more acute. We all grow
and improve depending on how and what we choose. We are all
free-willed “children of Brahma or of God.” But this Brahma or God
is not OUTSIDE of us, but is always deep within our spiritual DIVINE
SELF. This inner self is a BROTHER TO ALL OTHER SPIRITUAL SELVES and
therefore Universal Brotherhood is recommended.




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-----Original Message-----
From: kr
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:12 PM
To: 
Subject: recorders on Karma?


Thanks Dallas.

But why do you complicate so much with so long quotations, if you
prefer to use the original source why everytime many put a question
you just load half the SD on a e-mail and send the group, where is
your power of synthesis?

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DTB	If everyone were familiar with basic THEOSOPHY there would be
no need for lengthy quotes.  

The quotes are an assurance of logical necessity.  

Our "correspondence group" exists for (among other things) to ask each
other if we have verified the original teachings.

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K

We can never know your points of view quite well because you are
always extracting something from somewhere.

Unless, excuse me, you are making HPB´s words your thoughts but...It
is good to trade views, not ONLY quotations.

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DTB	We are all studying together, so we "trade" such sources as we
come across, and seek to understand them better -- mainly, so that we
can better apply them

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K

In the T. Glossary it is 

" Lipikas (Sk.). The celestial recorders, the “Scribes”, those who
record every word and deed, said or done by man while on this earth.
As Occultism teaches, they are the agents of KARMA-the retributive
Law."

What is this recorder? Can't it be called lords or divinities?

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DTB	Of course any name you choose can be used.  

However those you select already are used generally with different
connotations. The Theosophical nomenclature was designed to avoid
confusion while at the same time giving the freedom to use any word or
names -- usually derived from same religious or philosophical source.

It might be a god idea to consider that every though, word, and
feeling of ours impresses with a magnetic and virtuous (or vicious)
quality the "astral light" that surrounds us all. In that astral
light are the records made. The Universal LIPIKAS are like the waves,
the folds, and currents of that AKASA, the highest aspect of the
Astral Light .  

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K

In the same Glossary 


" And as it is that Ego which chooses the personality it will inform,
after each Devachan, and which receives through these personalities
the effects of the Karmic causes produced, it is therefore the Ego,
that self which is the “moral kernel “ referred to and embodied
karma, “which alone survives death.” 

THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY 173-4" looks very similar to the points of
view of Allan Kardec´s books where he says that incarnating Spirit
(Ego) chooses the body.

I personally don´t agree totally both views because it is not the case
of choosing a certain body but the ego and the other powers in
question can "produce" a vehicle to the needs of the active Karma. 

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DTB	Look on the idea. The "personality of this life" does not
reincarnate as it is entirely dissipated and scattered after physical
and astral death. (Alan Kardec believed that the personality
reincarnated.) We might advance the idea that the 'personality' is,
in effect, the un-virtuous and selfish aspect of our "lower selves."
This has to be carefully thought over. 

We find an explanation in The KEY TO THEOSOPHY p. 191:

ENQUIRER. But does not the author of "Isis Unveiled" stand accused of
having preached against re-incarnation? 
 
THEOSOPHIST. By those who have misunderstood what was said, yes. At
the time that work was written, re-incarnation was not believed in by
any Spiritualists, either English or American, and what is said there
of re-incarnation was directed against the French Spiritists, whose
theory is as unphilosophical and absurd as the Eastern teaching is
logical and self-evident in its truth. The Re-incarnationists of the
ALLAN KARDEC SCHOOL believe in an arbitrary and immediate
re-incarnation. With them, the dead father can incarnate in his own
unborn daughter, and so on. They have neither Devachan, Karma, nor any
philosophy that would warrant or prove the necessity of consecutive
re-births. But how can the author of "Isis" argue against Karmic
re-incarnation, at long intervals varying between 1,000 and 1,500
years, when it is the fundamental belief of both Buddhists and Hindus?


 
ENQUIRER. Then you reject the theories of both the Spiritists and the
Spiritualists, in their entirety? 
 
THEOSOPHIST. Not in their entirety, but only with regard to their
respective fundamental beliefs. Both rely on what their "Spirits" tell
them; and both disagree as much with each other as we Theosophists
disagree with both. Truth is one; and when we hear the French spooks
preaching re-incarnation, and the English spooks denying and
denouncing the doctrine, we say that either the French or the English
"Spirits" do not know what they are talking about. We believe with the
Spiritualists and the Spiritists in the existence of "Spirits," or
invisible Beings endowed with more or less intelligence. But, while in
our teachings their kinds and genera are legion, our opponents admit
of no other than human disembodied "Spirits," which, to our knowledge,
are mostly Kamalokic SHELLS. 

 
ENQUIRER. You seem very bitter against Spirits. As you have given me
your views and your reasons for disbelieving in the materialization
of, and direct communication in seances, with the disembodied spirits
-- or the "spirits of the dead" -- would you mind enlightening me as
to one more fact? Why are some Theosophists never tired of saying how
dangerous is intercourse with spirits, and mediumship? Have they any
particular reason for this? 
 
THEOSOPHIST. We must suppose so. I know I have. Owing to my
familiarity for over half a century with these invisible, yet but too
tangible and undeniable "influences," from the conscious Elementals,
semi-conscious shells, down to the utterly senseless and nondescript
spooks of all kinds, I claim a certain right to my views.   

 
ENQUIRER. Can you give an instance or instances to show why these
practices should be regarded as dangerous? 
 
THEOSOPHIST. This would require more time than I can give you. Every
cause must be judged by the effects it produces. Go over the history
of Spiritualism for the last fifty years, ever since its reappearance
in this century in America -- and judge for yourself whether it has
done its votaries more good or harm. Pray understand me. I do not
speak against real Spiritualism, but against the modern movement which
goes under that name, and the so-called philosophy invented to explain
its phenomena." Key 191-3 

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The IMMORTAL EGO -- the Real Man (Atma-Buddhi-Manas) -- reincarnates
as it represents the highest and best aspects of ourselves. The
VIRTUOUS MAN.

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K

I may be a kind of ignorant student but presently I think that the act
of choosing is only for mahatmas or very better evolved beings, not
us.

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DTB	Every day of our lives we make decisions and choices that
affect our future in this life and also in future lives as those daily
and hourly choices impacts our immortal Ego, as well as the
"Personality." It is those choices that make our "karma -- god or
bad." Hence our new incarnation in a fresh body and family environment
would be according to strict law and logic -- the direct result of our
present choosing and also of any "unfinished business" relating to our
earlier lives. 

Choosing is not reserved to the "Mahatmas." They have achieved the
heights of true living. They did it by right choices and
demonstrating that they would at no time contravene the laws of Nature


We are trying to become "true and honest livers," and thus BROTHERS to
all beings. We can always profit from our mistakes and part of the
duty of the Law of Karma is to re-present them to us for redress.


Best wishes, my fellow pilgrim, 

Dal

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Krishtar