Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00210)

Hallo Morton,
If I understand well you play magic with the mailnumbers;
15843-is a message of the Chohan to Kut humi and that presents the 
future of de TS given in Simla.That was a mysterious message what in 
this time will be very understandable if we look round us.
It gives light on the points of the solution of every problem, a 
right and logical explanation on the subject of the problems of the 
great dual principles.
But ....... I put it again:

To be true, religion and philosophy must offer the solution of every
problem. That the world is in such a bad condition morally is a
conclusive evidence that none of its religions and philosophies,
those of the civilised races less than any other, have ever possessed
the truth. The right and logical explanations on the subject of the
problems of the great dual principles -- right and wrong, good and
evil, liberty and despotism, pain and pleasure, egotism and altruism -
- are as impossible to them now as they were 1881 years ago. They are
as far from the solution as they ever were but, --

To these there must be somewhere a consistent solution, and if our
doctrines will show their competence to offer it, then the world will
be the first one to confess that must be the true philosophy, the
true religion, the true light, which gives truth and nothing but the
truth.
= letter of the Chohan to KH.

I think PRINT IT and hang it above the bed if you cannot put it in 
the head.

Christina





But whatever the time, till now this is timeless, cause of the field 
of other dimensions versus earth , this last is timebounded.
What there is a day here flow away in thoudands of years.

And as I see now, this truth brings no political money in casch or 
funds.
So it is not Bush's cup of coffee.

By the time I shall see your URL's



-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@a...> wrote:
> Hallo Christina and all,
> 
> My views are:
> 
> Do I need Glasses ?
> 
> Theosophy operates on various levels and we have to agree upon that 
if you
> should understand the following. I also say this to a great number 
of the
> readers.
> 
> The message 15569 at Theos-Talk has a qoute on some words said to 
be made by
> Master K.H.
> These words are not valid teaching in the same manner as they were 
back
> then.
> I thought I had made that clear by my recent emails to Daniel 
Caldwell here
> at Theos-Talk.
> 
> I hold it to be true, that Bailey's written books were not and are 
not on
> the same level as that of Blavatsky's.
> But they served an not unimportant purpose when they were written. 
I have
> earliere emailed on what that purpose was or at least
> what that purpose could be.
> 
> To some one teaching is allright. To others not.
> There are seven paths of wisdom within the Theosophical teachings.
> Both Blavatsky and Bailey agrees upon this.
> There is also more than one sublevel of Manas.
> 
> Apart from this I do agree with people who says that the Bailey 
books
> contains a number of faults.
> But I still wants us to remember what Blavatsky said in the Key to
> Theosophy - Section 2:
> "We cull the good we find in each", that is - each thought-system.
> 
> What the students themselves need is quite often not what they Want.
> What some students think others needs is quite often not they in 
fact need.
> 
> I think you already have forgotten the following quote:
> 
> My view is:
> "The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, 
or the
> competence of another man or institution, he must first learn 
something
> which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his 
perception itself
> is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional 
attraction to the
> individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning 
How To
> Learn."
> http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm
> 
> 
> A few days back I also emailed the following:
> 
> Let us have the quote again (changed a bit) while we refer to 
Blavatsky's
> writings and her written material:
> 
> "So very important: The use of ideas, FOR INSTANCE BOOKS and WRITTEN
> MATERIAL of ALL sorts is to shape a man or woman, not to support a 
system -
> which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in which the 
Wisdom
> Tradition is
> 'living', and not just the perpetuations of ideas and movements - 
LIKE FOR
> INSTANCE
> THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY. This seems important to understand and 
know
> about."
> http://theos-talk.com/archives/200210/tt00046.html (On what 
happened to
> The Theosophical Society when Blavatsky died.)
> 
> 
> What are your views on this quote Christina ?
> What are your views on this quote my dear readers ?
> 
> 
> 
> The Master K. H. had at the time of the quote which is mentioned in 
the
> email 15569 at Theos-Talk to
> seek to secure the safe development of The Theosophical Society, so 
that
> Hume and others
> didn't prevent it from sprouting and serve its prupose.
> Later on psychology and the WWII changed things a lot. The Law of 
Karma
> operates.
> There are high waves and low waves.
> 
> There is the teacher, the student, the teaching, the time, the 
place, the
> people and the circumstances.
> Only a true Master knows how to combine these in manner according 
to the
> ancient wisdom teachings.
> 
> Try read item 7 and 9 in this link:
> http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/char_lit.htm
> If you disagree with this links actual content, then please tell me 
why ?
> 
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:05 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!
> 
> 
> > -Hallo Morten,
> > I think you need new glasses. By your question if I recommend I 
give
> > you this answer and this number of the message:
> > No !!! Not at all ! That are clever moneymakers.You don't remember
> > well,or have not read; that was said in the discussion with Daniel
> > long ago.mess. 15569
> > >
> > Do you know that it is a little funny you change the 69 in 96.
> >
> >
> > - In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > Hallo all,
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > >
> > > 1. So you have contionous contact with a Master and yet you 
havn't
> > a Master
> > > ?
> >
> >
> > No , because I never lost the contact with my own Atma and that is
> > the master for the moment.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2. Is The message 15843 not rather weak when we talk about what
> > deeds - you
> >
> > You call the Non dualistic way weak?
> > So let the whole world be weak then, than we have the right weak 
for
> > PEACE on EARTH.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > recommend ?
> > > 3. "Learning how to Learn" implies avoiding the desiring to 'go 
it
> > alone'.
> > > Else I think we agree.
> > > 4. I do neither recommend these maitreya.org people or the 
Benjamin
> > Creme
> > > sect.
> > > Their litterature is not resting on a solid and broad enough
> > fundament too
> > > suit my views on what wisdom teaching is.
> > > 5. Because i ask some questions - it doesn't imply, that I look 
for
> > the
> > > Masters outside my self - does it ?
> >
> >
> > Why you ask me what my master is and his name.Then you should 
know!
> > And
> > Yes, if you don't understand that the Master is inside you, but no
> > sorrow for that, most people have lost that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 6. Was the 15596 this message
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15596 from 
Dallas ?
> > >
> > > First read the numbers well!
> > Christina
> > > -------
> > >
> > > What do the readers think about this funny I AM related one ?
> > > Justin M. Haig as a Master being channeled today !
> > > There are also a few words on avoiding insanity as well. <>:-)
> > > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/great%20white%
20brotherhood/JMH.htm
> > > Litterature: http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/books.html
> > >
> > > --- Among the papers in the above link are the ONLINE pdf- 
versions
> > of Cyril
> > > Scott's books
> > > "The Initiate", "The Initiate - in the new world", "The 
Initiate in
> > the dark
> > > cycle". ---
> > >
> > > Someone could make a friendly link to these three books - 
because
> > they still
> > > have importance.
> > > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20by%20His%
> > 20Pupil.pdf
> > > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20in%20the%
20New%
> > 20World%20by%20His%20Pupil.pdf
> > > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/THE%20INITIATE%20IN%20THE%
> > 20DARK%20CYCLE%20revised.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@y...>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:42 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" 
<global-
> > > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Hallo christina and all,
> > > > I answered the questions, but the message is not placed. So 
again!
> > > > >
> > > > > My views are:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. What is your Masters name then ?
> > > > What is this kind of dependance ?
> > > > >>So do any of you claim to have contact with the Real 
masters ?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, only my own Spirit,Atma+Soul(Jivatma+Light of Buddhi) and
> > Body
> > > > that all in harmony and communication with other matrixes.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't tell you I have a master!
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. So you are in contact with the theosophical Master Morya 
or
> > is
> > > > it the
> > > > > Avatar Maitreya ?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe too, in the meaning of also.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is this a continous contact ?
> > > >
> > > > Sure it is.
> > > >
> > > > > Are you teaching a group of people about ancient wisdom ?
> > > > >
> > > > Ancient and the presence!
> > > > >
> > > > 3. What kind of - deeds do you have in mind ?
> > > > >
> > > > You can see on message 15843.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 4. How do you learn how to learn ?
> > > > > What does your Master tell us about this ?Nothing, he let us
> > free,
> > > > for jumping in the cold water and we pull out when it is too 
cold
> > for
> > > > us.(joke)
> > > > > I suggest that you answer that in a more understanable 
manner -
> > > > than just
> > > > > answering: "Easy".
> > > >
> > > > The one learns from the behind and the other from the before, 
the
> > > > only important thing is don't forget the moment of NOW.
> > > > > My view is:
> > > > > "The bitter truth is that before man can know his own
> > inadequacy,
> > > > or the
> > > > > competence of another man or institution, he must first 
learn
> > > > something
> > > > > which will enable him to perceive both.
> > > >
> > > > That's why we have basic schools and fathers and mothers or 
one of
> > > > them for education.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Note well that his perception itself
> > > > > is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional
> > > > attraction to the
> > > > > individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This
> > is 'Learning
> > > > How To
> > > > > Learn."
> > > >
> > > > Yes to use the intuitive power on the Individual mind , soul 
and
> > body.
> > > > The all controlling power over our knowledge and delights the
> > wisdom
> > > > in our hearths.
> > > > > http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. If I should just teach myself wouldn't that be a headless
> > > > activitiy ?
> > > >
> > > > Indeed if you think so!
> > > > There are enough teachers of that kind.
> > > > First they need to univy and harmonize the knowledge into 
wisdom.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's why there is so much misery in the world through 
teaching
> > > > headless and heartless things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > How can a blind lead a blind ?
> > > >
> > > > That's why a blind is blind and a deaf cannot hear and speak.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 6. Is it http://www.maitreya.org and not Mattreya.org ?
> > > > > Do you recommend that ?
> > > >
> > > > Sure NOT
> > > > You have not read mess;15596 ? there have the discussion of 
visa
> > and
> > > > mastercard for "that kind of maitreya"but is it not that 
people
> > ask
> > > > for that?
> > > > Even you look for a "master"outside, now I can say there is 
NOT
> > > > Anyone.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > from Buddhi light and
> > > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...and harmony ; Christina
> > > > also a little Joke:
> > > > Stttt... the master is sleeping...
> > > > Ohh. He speaks in his sleep...
> > > > Good luck and help for you..., also
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@y...>
> > > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:42 AM
> > > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> > <global-
> > > > > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hallo all of you,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So do any of you claim to have contact with the Real
> > masters ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, only my own Spirit,Atma+Soul(Jivatma+Light of 
Buddhi) and
> > > > Body
> > > > > > that all in harmony and communication with other matrixes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And if so - what would you tell us about this contact of
> > yours ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have done before, see mess. 15843 Work to be done after 
2000
> > > > years
> > > > > > of remination.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By some people does not help a thousand words or millions 
and
> > all
> > > > we
> > > > > > know yet; for what we are looking for the outside?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What kind of teaching do you suggest TODAY year 2004 ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One of NO words , but deeds! Or suit the action to the 
word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you and we learn how to learn ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Easy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What teacher would you recommend ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are the teacher of your own within and with others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have learned that Silence about these issues talks 
and
> > tell
> > > > its
> > > > > > own tale.
> > > > > > > And also that we shall know them on their fruits.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could create a Yahoo group by that name: "The
> > > > > > Multiperspectivalistical
> > > > > > > Society ".
> > > > > > > And write in the bread section: "We claim that we are 
on
> > > > continous
> > > > > > contact
> > > > > > > with..." - and God knows what. (smile...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, like the Mattreya.org is doing You ask 
and "God"give
> > the
> > > > > > answeror his son.
> > > > > > > Perhaps "The Theosophical Masters are here" is a better
> > > > solution.
> > > > > > At least
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > better than "Theos-Talk", or what do the readers think ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That will be the question for you and the knowing for the
> > other.!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps less talk or theos-talk - and more Wisdom will 
be
> > the
> > > > end
> > > > > > result !??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wisdom is a never ending story, that is the beauty of it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We do not help the Masters by saying that they are not
> > here, do
> > > > we ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > No! Because they are inside ! The builders built the 
building.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > > > > From buddhi light, christina
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > From: "John Plummer" <jplummer@b...>
> > > > > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:07 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Multiperpectivalists Unite!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson"
> > > > > > <kpauljohnson@y...>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Maybe someone should start a
> > > > > > > > > Multiperspectivalist Society and get back to the
> > original
> > > > > > spirit of
> > > > > > > > > what HPB was trying to do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Amen! I couldn't agree more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
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