Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00166)

Hallo Christina and all,

My views are:

Do I need Glasses ?

Theosophy operates on various levels and we have to agree upon that if you
should understand the following. I also say this to a great number of the
readers.

The message 15569 at Theos-Talk has a qoute on some words said to be made by
Master K.H.
These words are not valid teaching in the same manner as they were back
then.
I thought I had made that clear by my recent emails to Daniel Caldwell here
at Theos-Talk.

I hold it to be true, that Bailey's written books were not and are not on
the same level as that of Blavatsky's.
But they served an not unimportant purpose when they were written. I have
earliere emailed on what that purpose was or at least
what that purpose could be.

To some one teaching is allright. To others not.
There are seven paths of wisdom within the Theosophical teachings.
Both Blavatsky and Bailey agrees upon this.
There is also more than one sublevel of Manas.

Apart from this I do agree with people who says that the Bailey books
contains a number of faults.
But I still wants us to remember what Blavatsky said in the Key to
Theosophy - Section 2:
"We cull the good we find in each", that is - each thought-system.

What the students themselves need is quite often not what they Want.
What some students think others needs is quite often not they in fact need.

I think you already have forgotten the following quote:

My view is:
"The bitter truth is that before man can know his own inadequacy, or the
competence of another man or institution, he must first learn something
which will enable him to perceive both. Note well that his perception itself
is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional attraction to the
individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This is 'Learning How To
Learn."
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm


A few days back I also emailed the following:

Let us have the quote again (changed a bit) while we refer to Blavatsky's
writings and her written material:

"So very important: The use of ideas, FOR INSTANCE BOOKS and WRITTEN
MATERIAL of ALL sorts is to shape a man or woman, not to support a system -
which is viewed in a limited manner. This is one way in which the Wisdom
Tradition is
'living', and not just the perpetuations of ideas and movements - LIKE FOR
INSTANCE
THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY. This seems important to understand and know
about."
http://theos-talk.com/archives/200210/tt00046.html (On what happened to
The Theosophical Society when Blavatsky died.)


What are your views on this quote Christina ?
What are your views on this quote my dear readers ?



The Master K. H. had at the time of the quote which is mentioned in the
email 15569 at Theos-Talk to
seek to secure the safe development of The Theosophical Society, so that
Hume and others
didn't prevent it from sprouting and serve its prupose.
Later on psychology and the WWII changed things a lot. The Law of Karma
operates.
There are high waves and low waves.

There is the teacher, the student, the teaching, the time, the place, the
people and the circumstances.
Only a true Master knows how to combine these in manner according to the
ancient wisdom teachings.

Try read item 7 and 9 in this link:
http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/char_lit.htm
If you disagree with this links actual content, then please tell me why ?



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!


> -Hallo Morten,
> I think you need new glasses. By your question if I recommend I give
> you this answer and this number of the message:
> No !!! Not at all ! That are clever moneymakers.You don't remember
> well,or have not read; that was said in the discussion with Daniel
> long ago.mess. 15569
> >
> Do you know that it is a little funny you change the 69 in 96.
>
>
> - In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo all,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > 1. So you have contionous contact with a Master and yet you havn't
> a Master
> > ?
>
>
> No , because I never lost the contact with my own Atma and that is
> the master for the moment.
>
>
>
>
>
> > 2. Is The message 15843 not rather weak when we talk about what
> deeds - you
>
> You call the Non dualistic way weak?
> So let the whole world be weak then, than we have the right weak for
> PEACE on EARTH.
>
>
>
>
>
> > recommend ?
> > 3. "Learning how to Learn" implies avoiding the desiring to 'go it
> alone'.
> > Else I think we agree.
> > 4. I do neither recommend these maitreya.org people or the Benjamin
> Creme
> > sect.
> > Their litterature is not resting on a solid and broad enough
> fundament too
> > suit my views on what wisdom teaching is.
> > 5. Because i ask some questions - it doesn't imply, that I look for
> the
> > Masters outside my self - does it ?
>
>
> Why you ask me what my master is and his name.Then you should know!
> And
> Yes, if you don't understand that the Master is inside you, but no
> sorrow for that, most people have lost that way.
>
>
>
> > 6. Was the 15596 this message
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15596 from Dallas ?
> >
> > First read the numbers well!
> Christina
> > -------
> >
> > What do the readers think about this funny I AM related one ?
> > Justin M. Haig as a Master being channeled today !
> > There are also a few words on avoiding insanity as well. <>:-)
> > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/great%20white%20brotherhood/JMH.htm
> > Litterature: http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/books.html
> >
> > --- Among the papers in the above link are the ONLINE pdf- versions
> of Cyril
> > Scott's books
> > "The Initiate", "The Initiate - in the new world", "The Initiate in
> the dark
> > cycle". ---
> >
> > Someone could make a friendly link to these three books - because
> they still
> > have importance.
> > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20by%20His%
> 20Pupil.pdf
> > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20in%20the%20New%
> 20World%20by%20His%20Pupil.pdf
> > http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/THE%20INITIATE%20IN%20THE%
> 20DARK%20CYCLE%20revised.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:42 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!
> >
> >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hallo christina and all,
> > > I answered the questions, but the message is not placed. So again!
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > 1. What is your Masters name then ?
> > > What is this kind of dependance ?
> > > >>So do any of you claim to have contact with the Real masters ?
> > >
> > > Yes, only my own Spirit,Atma+Soul(Jivatma+Light of Buddhi) and
> Body
> > > that all in harmony and communication with other matrixes.
> > >
> > > I didn't tell you I have a master!
> > > >
> > > > 2. So you are in contact with the theosophical Master Morya or
> is
> > > it the
> > > > Avatar Maitreya ?
> > >
> > > Maybe too, in the meaning of also.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is this a continous contact ?
> > >
> > > Sure it is.
> > >
> > > > Are you teaching a group of people about ancient wisdom ?
> > > >
> > > Ancient and the presence!
> > > >
> > > 3. What kind of - deeds do you have in mind ?
> > > >
> > > You can see on message 15843.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 4. How do you learn how to learn ?
> > > > What does your Master tell us about this ?Nothing, he let us
> free,
> > > for jumping in the cold water and we pull out when it is too cold
> for
> > > us.(joke)
> > > > I suggest that you answer that in a more understanable manner -
> > > than just
> > > > answering: "Easy".
> > >
> > > The one learns from the behind and the other from the before, the
> > > only important thing is don't forget the moment of NOW.
> > > > My view is:
> > > > "The bitter truth is that before man can know his own
> inadequacy,
> > > or the
> > > > competence of another man or institution, he must first learn
> > > something
> > > > which will enable him to perceive both.
> > >
> > > That's why we have basic schools and fathers and mothers or one of
> > > them for education.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Note well that his perception itself
> > > > is a product of right study; not of instinct or emotional
> > > attraction to the
> > > > individual, nor yet of desiring to 'go it alone'. This
> is 'Learning
> > > How To
> > > > Learn."
> > >
> > > Yes to use the intuitive power on the Individual mind , soul and
> body.
> > > The all controlling power over our knowledge and delights the
> wisdom
> > > in our hearths.
> > > > http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/skole_1.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 5. If I should just teach myself wouldn't that be a headless
> > > activitiy ?
> > >
> > > Indeed if you think so!
> > > There are enough teachers of that kind.
> > > First they need to univy and harmonize the knowledge into wisdom.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's why there is so much misery in the world through teaching
> > > headless and heartless things.
> > >
> > >
> > > > How can a blind lead a blind ?
> > >
> > > That's why a blind is blind and a deaf cannot hear and speak.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > 6. Is it http://www.maitreya.org and not Mattreya.org ?
> > > > Do you recommend that ?
> > >
> > > Sure NOT
> > > You have not read mess;15596 ? there have the discussion of visa
> and
> > > mastercard for "that kind of maitreya"but is it not that people
> ask
> > > for that?
> > > Even you look for a "master"outside, now I can say there is NOT
> > > Anyone.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from Buddhi light and
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...and harmony ; Christina
> > > also a little Joke:
> > > Stttt... the master is sleeping...
> > > Ohh. He speaks in his sleep...
> > > Good luck and help for you..., also
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@y...>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:42 AM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: The Multiper( F)ectivalists Unity!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen"
> <global-
> > > > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hallo all of you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So do any of you claim to have contact with the Real
> masters ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, only my own Spirit,Atma+Soul(Jivatma+Light of Buddhi) and
> > > Body
> > > > > that all in harmony and communication with other matrixes.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And if so - what would you tell us about this contact of
> yours ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have done before, see mess. 15843 Work to be done after 2000
> > > years
> > > > > of remination.
> > > > >
> > > > > By some people does not help a thousand words or millions and
> all
> > > we
> > > > > know yet; for what we are looking for the outside?
> > > > >
> > > > > > What kind of teaching do you suggest TODAY year 2004 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > One of NO words , but deeds! Or suit the action to the word.
> > > > >
> > > > > > How do you and we learn how to learn ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Easy
> > > > >
> > > > > > What teacher would you recommend ?
> > > > >
> > > > > You are the teacher of your own within and with others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have learned that Silence about these issues talks and
> tell
> > > its
> > > > > own tale.
> > > > > > And also that we shall know them on their fruits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I could create a Yahoo group by that name: "The
> > > > > Multiperspectivalistical
> > > > > > Society ".
> > > > > > And write in the bread section: "We claim that we are on
> > > continous
> > > > > contact
> > > > > > with..." - and God knows what. (smile...)
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, like the Mattreya.org is doing You ask and "God"give
> the
> > > > > answeror his son.
> > > > > > Perhaps "The Theosophical Masters are here" is a better
> > > solution.
> > > > > At least
> > > > >
> > > > > > better than "Theos-Talk", or what do the readers think ?
> > > > >
> > > > > That will be the question for you and the knowing for the
> other.!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps less talk or theos-talk - and more Wisdom will be
> the
> > > end
> > > > > result !??
> > > > >
> > > > > Wisdom is a never ending story, that is the beauty of it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do not help the Masters by saying that they are not
> here, do
> > > we ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > No! Because they are inside ! The builders built the building.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > > > From buddhi light, christina
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "John Plummer" <jplummer@b...>
> > > > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:07 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Multiperpectivalists Unite!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson"
> > > > > <kpauljohnson@y...>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maybe someone should start a
> > > > > > > > Multiperspectivalist Society and get back to the
> original
> > > > > spirit of
> > > > > > > > what HPB was trying to do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Amen! I couldn't agree more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
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