Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00487)

Morten,

You write:

"I am already aware of the CWL versus Bailey SIMILARITIES 
between the two mentioned books.

But wasn't CWL's book published as late as - first 
edition 1925. And Bailey's book as early as 1922. . . . 

So all we have is some not quite true remarks comming from Jerry." 
CAPS ADDED.

So Morten, you agree that there are SIMILARITIES, right?

Now please REREAD very carefully the following from 
Jerry's posting:

"The Maitreya teaching was originally tied to
Krishnamurti, the supposed vehicle for the
Maitreya/Christ return. Besant, in an ES talk in
1909 or 10, presented the earliest (that I'm aware of)
full description of what LATER BECAME CREDITED as
the Bailey hierarchy—Maitreya and all."

"This was published in The Link (a London ES journal)
and in the American EST Bulletin in 1910, I think,
but no later than this. Also in January 1912, CWL and
AB were called by the Maitreya to prepare Krishnamurti
and Jinarajadasa for their second initiation. . . .
Much of the material in Masters and the Path comes from
these early events. The account of this 1912 initiation
begins on pg. 298 in my 2nd edition (1927). . . ."

"According to her Autobiography, (If my memory serves
me correctly) Bailey's first contact with Theosophy
was through the Pacific Grove Lodge around 1912.
She moved to Krotona Hollywood a year or two
thereafter where she joined the ES, and GAINED
ACCESS to the [Besant/Leadbeater] material concerning
the inner government and initiations, which was
only circulated through the ES at that time. . . ."

". . . [Bailey's] Initiation Human and Solar was published
in 1922—her first book—I think. I read it some years ago,
and found it VERY FAITHFUL to the [Besant/Leadbeater]ES
teachings as they were presented from 1910-1918." Caps added.
Quoted from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/10242

Morten, please note:

The Besant/Leadbeater ES Teachings were given between
1910 and 1918.

Sometime in the period 1914-1916 Bailey became a 
member of the ES and GAINED ACCESS to THIS Besant/
Leadbeater material.

Bailey then wrote and published her book 
"Initiation Human and Solar" in 1922
using much of the ES material she had access to.

Notice again Jerry's statement, no doubt, based
on his study of the earlier ES material:

"Much of the material in [Leadbeater's] Masters and 
the Path comes from these early events. The account 
of this 1912 initiation begins on pg. 298 in my 2nd 
edition (1927). . . ."

Therefore, Morten, your following remarks see quite 
premature.

"So all we have is some not quite true remarks comming 
from Jerry. The words used was : 'Many of Bailey's 
Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant & Leadbeater'.

"I cannot agree upon that formulation. I say this even
without having had any of the original papers from 
ES in my physical hands."

"THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTH
And those distorted remarks we withness from time to 
time is no good."

So when you state/suggest that Jerry's remarks are "not quite
true" and "distorted", I think you are quite mistaken.

I am hoping that Jerry himself will set the record straight
since this is an important issue that needs to be clarified.

Daniel