Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00485)

Hallo Daniel and all,

My views are:

I thought I was referring to your - subject line - in the email and not
Jerry's quote.

I am already aware of the CWL versus Bailey similarities between the two
mentioned books.
But wasn't CWL's book published as late as - first edition 1925. And
Bailey's book as early as 1922.
http://www.tphta.ws/CWL_MATP.HTM (Leadbeater)
http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/toc.html (Bailey)

So all we have is some not quite true remarks comming from Jerry.
The words used was : "Many of Bailey's Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant
&
Leadbeater".

I cannot agree upon that formulation.
I say this even without having had any of the original papers from ES in my
physical hands.

THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THAN THE TRUTH
And those distorted remarks we withness from time to time is no good.

Such emails is the same as claiming, that the Jesuits already has a base on
Mars.
I hope you get my drift.

Surprised ?
Well only on, that none within Adyar or the Esoteric Section has done any
efforts to deal with this knowledge for years.
They should have protested if they aimed follow Blavatsky's teachings in the
below.

Blavatsky might --- also --- be helpful on this one:
"ON PSEUDO-THEOSOPHY"
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/OnPseudoTheosophy.htm



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: Theos-World Morten, please ask Jerry Hejka-Ekins


> Morten on "Many of Bailey's Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant &
> Leadbeater"
>
> Morten,
>
> My quotes show that it was Jerry Hejka-Ekins who wrote:
>
> "From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found
> that many of her teachings were DRAWN DIRECTLY from
> Besant and Leadbeater's E.S. writings...." caps added
>
> Jerry has posted some contributions of late on Theos-Talk.
> Hopefully Jerry will see your question and elucidate
> the point he made.
>
> But I would say that you could start with comparing
> Bailey's "Initiation Human and Solar" with Leadbeater's
> "The Masters and the Path."
>
> OBTW, you seem somewhat surprised by Jerry's statement.
> Why?
>
> Daniel
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo Daniel and all,
> >
> > What is this ?
> > How do you define the word "many"
> > when you say "Many of Bailey's Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant
> &
> > Leadbeater" ???
> >
> > If this is true - dead-letter, then this is historical, and we
> aught to
> > spread the word to everyone.
> >
> > Please help me out Daniel.
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:19 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Many of Bailey's Teachings DRAWN DIRECTLY from
> Besant &
> > Leadbeater
> >
> >
> > On Theos-L in a posting dated Jan. 12, 1994, Jerry
> > Hejka-Ekins wrote:
> >
> > "From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found
> > that many of her teachings were DRAWN DIRECTLY from
> > Besant and Leadbeater's E.S. writings, which to this day,
> > are not publicly available." Bold added.
> > Quoted from:
> > http://theosophy.net/tl-text/TL199401.TXT
> >
> > In another posting dated Jan 6, 2003 and posted to
> > Theos-Talk, Jerry added details:
> >
> > "The Maitreya teaching was originally tied to
> > Krishnamurti, the supposed vehicle for the
> > Maitreya/Christ return. Besant, in an ES talk in
> > 1909 or 10, presented the earliest (that I'm aware of)
> > full description of what LATER BECAME CREDITED as
> > the Bailey hierarchy-Maitreya and all."
> >
> > "This was published in The Link (a London ES journal)
> > and in the American EST Bulletin in 1910, I think,
> > but no later than this. Also in January 1912, CWL and
> > AB were called by the Maitreya to prepare Krishnamurti
> > and Jinarajadasa for their second initiation. . . .
> > Much of the material in Masters and the Path comes from
> > these early events. The account of this 1912 initiation
> > begins on pg. 298 in my 2nd edition (1927). . . ."
> >
> > "According to her Autobiography, (If my memory serves
> > me correctly) Bailey's first contact with Theosophy
> > was through the Pacific Grove Lodge around 1912.
> > She moved to Krotona Hollywood a year or two
> > thereafter where she joined the ES, and GAINED
> > ACCESS to the [Besant/Leadbeater] material concerning
> > the inner government and initiations, which was
> > only circulated through the ES at that time. . . ."
> >
> > ". . . [Bailey's] Initiation Human and Solar was published
> > in 1922-her first book-I think. I read it some years ago,
> > and found it VERY FAITHFUL to the [Besant/Leadbeater]ES
> > teachings as they were presented from 1910-1918." Bold added.
> > Quoted from:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/10242
> >
> > For information on the deviations in the teachings of Besant
> > and Leadbeater from H.P. Blavatsky's original presentation
> > of Theosophy, see the following:
> >
> > . C.W. Leadbeater's and Annie Besant's Theosophical Teachings:
> > Comments by James A. Santucci, Jerry Hejka-Ekins and Alvin Boyd Kuhn
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/index.htm#online
> > http://www.theosophy.info/thomas/index.htm#online
> >
> > . H.P. Blavatsky: A Great Betrayal by Alice Leighton Cleather.
> > 1922. 106 pp.
> > http://kessingerpub.com/searchresults_orderthebook.lasso?
> > Title=12585457&Submit=Query
> >
> > . Theosophy Versus Neo-Theosophy (abridged edition, reprint of
> > Section I only) compiled by Margaret Thomas with additions by Mark
> > Jaqua.
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/thomas/index.htm
> > http://www.theosophy.info/thomas/index.htm
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> > . Theosophy Or NeoTheosophy? (reprint of the complete,
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> > original edition) compiled by Margaret Thomas
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/tontitlepage.pdf
> > http://www.theosophy.info/tontitlepage.pdf
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> > . Life After Death in Kamaloka (the Astral World): H.P.
> > Blavatsky
> > versus C.W. Leadbeater compiled by Ray Morgan
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/morganafterdeath.htm
> > http://www.theosophy.info/morganafterdeath.htm
> >
> > . C.W. Leadbeater & H.P. Blavatsky about Life on Mars and Other
> > Planets
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/leadbeatermars.htm
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