Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00429)

> From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Mary Magdalene
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:45:41 -0000
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Ali Hassan" <ananda_hotai@h...>
> wrote:
> > No, it means the church metaphorically usurps Mary's position.
>
> ???
>
> > If you can appreciate the allegorical nature of Jesus curing the
> blind,
> > perhaps also you can appreciate that the many references Jesus made
> to
> > bridegroom, brides, bridal chambers were not about carnal marriage
> > relations. [Seinfeld sotto voce: not that there's anything wrong
> with those]
> > Mary as bride of Christ was symbolic of the lost or prodigal soul
> having
> > returned. In that light, the common notion of her being the
> reformed
> > prostitute enhances her status, imo....even if she wasn't.
>
> If she was not a prostitute, saying she was means you are departing
> from the ancient understanfing. It also seems to me to insult her
> memory unnecessarily. Anyway, where ydo you get the stuff you are
> saying>
Oh, my. Do you really think her feelings were hurt? Apologize to her for me, 
next time you see her?
I think Chuck the Heretic was closer to the gist of where I'm going with 
this.

> > > > 61. The Lord said: Blest be he who was before he came
> > > > into being. (=Th 19!) For he who is, both was and
> > > > shall be. (Rev/Ap 1:8
> > >
> > >This is a reference to the pre-existence of the soul, which is
> > >implied in numerous places in the OT. Origen says ancient scholars
> > >were divided on this and that some insisted the OT taught
> > >traducianism.
> >
> > Not really, since what you write is an over-simplification. This
> refers more
> > to his statement, "before Moses was, I am." It is more an assertion
> of the
> > Christ/Buddha Universal mind, untrammelled by time and space.
>
> I stand mbty mt oeiginal statement since there is no reason to
> believe Buddha is meant by this beatitude or Christ either. The
> ancients did discuss the idea of pre-existence, though.
Not referring to personalities- more the Christ/Buddha as Blavatsky implies, 
a state of consciousness. Very close to your idea of the soul, but not 
quite.

> > > > A mother that kiss her child on the lips means that
> > > > she has an erotic relationship with the child?
> > >
> > >Kissing kids on the mouth is a strange thing to do. Are you
> > >referring to LeTourneau?
> >
> > I assume you have children to make another such presumptous remark?
> The
> > 'sin' or 'strange' is in your mind.
>
> I have never seena nyone kiss kids mouth to mouth, but only on the
> cheek or forehead. Anyway, two adults kissing each other on the
> mouth in ancient times indicated thereby the existence of mutual
> erotic interest. A fraternal kiss in the first century was
> administered on the neck.
Well, you apparently haven't been around then, to have such notions of 
kissology.

regards-

Ali

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