Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00436)

Hi Krishtar.
I think it is in better saying:
We have 3 kinds of consciousness in the Brain-
in the Heart- and in the solaire 
Chakra. 

In the heart we have Chitta,Jivatma and Ahamkara and it is the 
choice to make with the tree guna's to know as RAJAS, TAMAS and SATTVA
so this last one give the Harmonie, Truth and Purity and that brings 
us to the Higher self and that is the Ahamkara(Atma).

Christina

-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hi Christina
> I know it, I know it.
> Lower mind means the " thought producer", which creates the 
illusion associated with it.
> It is extremenly useful this exchange.
> Thanks
> 
> Krishtar
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: christinaleestemaker 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:28 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: The mind murders the real
> 
> 
> Hallo Krishtar and Ariel ,
> For the second time I can say:
> It is not the MANAS what is the slayer of the MIND.IT IS THE 
LOWER 
> MANAS.The LOWER MANAS with the lower THINKING POwer the TATTVA of 
it.
> We must grow up to the HIGHER MANAS!!!!!!!!!!!
> From there we can activate the Buddhi, the higher plan on the 
> INTUITIVE to BUDDHI MANAS.
> Look in your books what the lower manas means! Desire,selfish Ego 
etc.
> Grow out of it!!!! Christina
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > Hi Ariel
> > Still the same question:
> > The quote " The mind is the slayer of the real - H.P. 
Blavatsky, 
> the Voice of the Silence, p.1" doesnīt mean to destroy Manas, it 
is 
> a dead letter interpretation.
> > It means lowering the activity of our mind to perceive, to 
feel  
> the true Man, we cannot reach our true essence in the disturbance 
of 
> our day by day life.We must slow down, listen to our inner being.
> > Reducing the creation of thoughts, you can begin to perceive 
your 
> real being.
> > It is the Voice of silence!
> > There is no use in knowing so much intellectual knowledge if we 
do 
> not apply it, it will never turn intelectual knowledge into 
wisdom.
> > and wisdom is what matters, is what changes our inferior 
qualities.
> > Stop reading SD for awhile and go meditating :)
> > 
> > Krishtar
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: arielaretziel 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:32 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: The mind murders the real
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Katinka,
> > 
> > Keep thinking, your getting close. Actually, the Manas is the 
> gift of the S=
> > olar 
> > Pitris. It is what makes Man ... Man. The word comes from 
Manas, 
> Manu, etc.=
> >    
> > and it was the Elohim who worried that with this gift now Man 
> could be as t=
> > he 
> > Gods. 
> > 
> > According to HPB, Man can undo himself by severing his Manas 
from 
> his triad=
> >    
> > and therefore go to Avitchi, a hell of unconciousness. It 
takes 
> work to ach=
> > ieve 
> > this as the Manas is part and parcel of who we are and 
> differentiates us fr=
> > om 
> > the beasts. 
> > 
> > Through Manas, even though we are such small specks in the 
> immensity of 
> > the universe, we can conceptualize the vastness, higher 
> mathamatical 
> > dimensions, and even infinity. We can build entire geometirc 
> stuctures in o=
> > ur 
> > head and work out all the dynamics before we manifest it 
> physically in an 
> > architectural project. We are aware of far off galaxies and 
sub-
> atomic 
> > particles. This exists in a plane of the self called the 
Manas. 
> If we remov=
> > e it, 
> > we can be like a dog, forever happy and seeing the world as 
it 
> is. 
> > 
> > The Neo-Platonists would probably tell you that Mind is 
picking 
> up actual 
> > things that exist. These things actually do exist but are in 
a 
> higher frequ=
> > ency 
> > than matter and emotions. Matter is picked up by our senses, 
> ENERGY is 
> > picked up by our emotions, and THOUGHT FORMS are picked up by 
> Manas, 
> > not something illusionary but a real thing made of real 
> substance. 
> > 
> > There are all kinds of thought forms that exist in the plane 
of 
> manas. Ther=
> > e are 
> > the thought forms built from our association with our own 
Kama 
> Rupa or 
> > desire body. There are thought forms built up of Astral 
energy 
> that floats =
> > 
> > around the world, hence we sense a good atmosphere or a bad 
one. 
> There 
> > are thought forms that are the imprints of the Akashik 
Records. 
> There are 
> > thought forms that are abstract concepts that just float in 
Space 
> to be pic=
> > ked 
> > up and used by higher entities as they choose. This all 
requires 
> experience=
> > to 
> > test out what I am saying. But even a little experimaentation 
> produces it's=
> >    
> > results.
> > 
> > Understanding our projections and our pre-concieved notions 
> cannot be 
> > possible without an awareness of Thought-Forms, especially in 
the 
> Kama 
> > Rupa. Otherwise it leads to self deception and one goes to a 
> darker place. =
> > 
> > Manas is the "light" of Lucifer and the BRIDGE to Buddha 
> awareness. Atleast=
> >    
> > according to Theosophy. All I can say is experiment and find 
out 
> for yours=
> > elf.
> > 
> > There is another word that is also translated as Mind, but 
has a 
> completely=
> >    
> > different meaning. This word is Chittas. It differs from 
Manas. 
> It is the "=
> > ether" of 
> > the astral realm that vibrates. It is usually filled with 
Vrittis 
> which hav=
> > e been 
> > translated as "thoughts" but really means "disturbances" 
> or "pertibations".=
> >    
> > Sometimes Vrittis are translated as Mind Stuff but this is 
> incorrect. This =
> > is 
> > Astral. Our strongest Senses of experience is found in the 
> Chittas and if w=
> > e 
> > control it and still the waters so to speak, Than the Manas 
can 
> listen to t=
> > he 
> > voice from above, in the Buddhic plane. "As above, so below" 
> except in a le=
> > ss 
> > perfect fasion, as we pick up the voice from above often yet 
it 
> gets distur=
> > bed 
> > by astral waters and comes to us as if by code, in analogy. 
> > 
> > This is all I'll write for now, but I hope it helps some of 
you 
> in undrstan=
> > ding 
> > 
> > A^A^
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" 
> <k.hesselink@h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > The mind is the slayer of the real - H.P. Blavatsky, the 
Voice 
> of the
> > > Silence, p.1. 
> > > 
> > > I think the meaning of this sentence isn't that difficult. 
It 
> simply
> > > means that our thoughts are by definition partial and 
usually
> > > conditioned, so that if you take them for the real, you are 
> mistaken.
> > > The only path to seeing things (and people) as they are is 
in 
> letting
> > > go of preconceptions and simply seeing what is. This is a 
simple
> > > psychological fact. I agree that one can't just throw out 
the 
> manas.
> > > We need manas to figure a lot of issues out. Still it is 
useful 
> to be
> > > reminded that as a tool to finding the Ultimate Truth - it 
> doesn't
> > > work so well. 
> > > 
> > > I think I read somewhere in Blavatsky that one of the perks 
she 
> though
> > > t reading the Secret Doctrine would have was simply that it 
> would keep
> > > people busy enough to stay out of trouble. I am not saying 
that 
> book
> > > isn't useful and interesting. But ultimately it is meant to 
> wake up
> > > our intuition - not stimulate our manas. 
> > > 
> > > Katinka
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" 
<krishtar_a@b...> 
> wrote:
> > > > The "quote" does not come from the Stanzas of Dyzan, it's 
> from The
> > > Voice in
> > > >  
> > > > the Silence. And unfortunately, unlike the Stanzas, we 
don't 
> have
> > > the good =
> > > > 
> > > > fortune to have HPB's commentary for this ancient book, 
so 
> anyone's
> > > guess 
> > > > on this line is as good as any other. Of course, if you 
> succesfully
> > > slay y=
> > > > our 
> > > > Manas, you will be rewarded with Avitchi. Good luck,
> > > > 
> > > > Ariel
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" 
> <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> > > > > Ariel
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am sorry that my discussion is irrelevant and a 
gossip 
> for you.
> > > > > But I donīt wish to be framed in one type or another.
> > > > > I study theosophy but I donīt consider anything in it a 
> Dogma.
> > > > > If you belong to the " first group" you can recall 
> that:the "
> > > mind is th=
> > > > e true 
> > > > murderer of the Real.." ( Dzyan Stanzas )
> > > > > It means that everything we catch through our physical 
> sences -
> > > the mind =
> > > > -  
> > > > is not the reality.
> > > > > In this plane we do not see things as they are, but how 
> they look
> > > like.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Krishtar
> > 
> > 
> >    
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