Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00432)

Hi Christina
I know it, I know it.
Lower mind means the " thought producer", which creates the illusion associated with it.
It is extremenly useful this exchange.
Thanks

Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: christinaleestemaker 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:28 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: The mind murders the real


Hallo Krishtar and Ariel ,
For the second time I can say:
It is not the MANAS what is the slayer of the MIND.IT IS THE LOWER 
MANAS.The LOWER MANAS with the lower THINKING POwer the TATTVA of it.
We must grow up to the HIGHER MANAS!!!!!!!!!!!
>From there we can activate the Buddhi, the higher plan on the 
INTUITIVE to BUDDHI MANAS.
Look in your books what the lower manas means! Desire,selfish Ego etc.
Grow out of it!!!! Christina








--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hi Ariel
> Still the same question:
> The quote " The mind is the slayer of the real - H.P. Blavatsky, 
the Voice of the Silence, p.1" doesnīt mean to destroy Manas, it is 
a dead letter interpretation.
> It means lowering the activity of our mind to perceive, to feel  
the true Man, we cannot reach our true essence in the disturbance of 
our day by day life.We must slow down, listen to our inner being.
> Reducing the creation of thoughts, you can begin to perceive your 
real being.
> It is the Voice of silence!
> There is no use in knowing so much intellectual knowledge if we do 
not apply it, it will never turn intelectual knowledge into wisdom.
> and wisdom is what matters, is what changes our inferior qualities.
> Stop reading SD for awhile and go meditating :)
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: arielaretziel 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:32 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: The mind murders the real
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Katinka,
> 
> Keep thinking, your getting close. Actually, the Manas is the 
gift of the S=
> olar 
> Pitris. It is what makes Man ... Man. The word comes from Manas, 
Manu, etc.=
>    
> and it was the Elohim who worried that with this gift now Man 
could be as t=
> he 
> Gods. 
> 
> According to HPB, Man can undo himself by severing his Manas from 
his triad=
>    
> and therefore go to Avitchi, a hell of unconciousness. It takes 
work to ach=
> ieve 
> this as the Manas is part and parcel of who we are and 
differentiates us fr=
> om 
> the beasts. 
> 
> Through Manas, even though we are such small specks in the 
immensity of 
> the universe, we can conceptualize the vastness, higher 
mathamatical 
> dimensions, and even infinity. We can build entire geometirc 
stuctures in o=
> ur 
> head and work out all the dynamics before we manifest it 
physically in an 
> architectural project. We are aware of far off galaxies and sub-
atomic 
> particles. This exists in a plane of the self called the Manas. 
If we remov=
> e it, 
> we can be like a dog, forever happy and seeing the world as it 
is. 
> 
> The Neo-Platonists would probably tell you that Mind is picking 
up actual 
> things that exist. These things actually do exist but are in a 
higher frequ=
> ency 
> than matter and emotions. Matter is picked up by our senses, 
ENERGY is 
> picked up by our emotions, and THOUGHT FORMS are picked up by 
Manas, 
> not something illusionary but a real thing made of real 
substance. 
> 
> There are all kinds of thought forms that exist in the plane of 
manas. Ther=
> e are 
> the thought forms built from our association with our own Kama 
Rupa or 
> desire body. There are thought forms built up of Astral energy 
that floats =
> 
> around the world, hence we sense a good atmosphere or a bad one. 
There 
> are thought forms that are the imprints of the Akashik Records. 
There are 
> thought forms that are abstract concepts that just float in Space 
to be pic=
> ked 
> up and used by higher entities as they choose. This all requires 
experience=
> to 
> test out what I am saying. But even a little experimaentation 
produces it's=
>    
> results.
> 
> Understanding our projections and our pre-concieved notions 
cannot be 
> possible without an awareness of Thought-Forms, especially in the 
Kama 
> Rupa. Otherwise it leads to self deception and one goes to a 
darker place. =
> 
> Manas is the "light" of Lucifer and the BRIDGE to Buddha 
awareness. Atleast=
>    
> according to Theosophy. All I can say is experiment and find out 
for yours=
> elf.
> 
> There is another word that is also translated as Mind, but has a 
completely=
>    
> different meaning. This word is Chittas. It differs from Manas. 
It is the "=
> ether" of 
> the astral realm that vibrates. It is usually filled with Vrittis 
which hav=
> e been 
> translated as "thoughts" but really means "disturbances" 
or "pertibations".=
>    
> Sometimes Vrittis are translated as Mind Stuff but this is 
incorrect. This =
> is 
> Astral. Our strongest Senses of experience is found in the 
Chittas and if w=
> e 
> control it and still the waters so to speak, Than the Manas can 
listen to t=
> he 
> voice from above, in the Buddhic plane. "As above, so below" 
except in a le=
> ss 
> perfect fasion, as we pick up the voice from above often yet it 
gets distur=
> bed 
> by astral waters and comes to us as if by code, in analogy. 
> 
> This is all I'll write for now, but I hope it helps some of you 
in undrstan=
> ding 
> 
> A^A^
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Katinka Hesselink" 
<k.hesselink@h...> 
> wrote:
> > The mind is the slayer of the real - H.P. Blavatsky, the Voice 
of the
> > Silence, p.1. 
> > 
> > I think the meaning of this sentence isn't that difficult. It 
simply
> > means that our thoughts are by definition partial and usually
> > conditioned, so that if you take them for the real, you are 
mistaken.
> > The only path to seeing things (and people) as they are is in 
letting
> > go of preconceptions and simply seeing what is. This is a simple
> > psychological fact. I agree that one can't just throw out the 
manas.
> > We need manas to figure a lot of issues out. Still it is useful 
to be
> > reminded that as a tool to finding the Ultimate Truth - it 
doesn't
> > work so well. 
> > 
> > I think I read somewhere in Blavatsky that one of the perks she 
though
> > t reading the Secret Doctrine would have was simply that it 
would keep
> > people busy enough to stay out of trouble. I am not saying that 
book
> > isn't useful and interesting. But ultimately it is meant to 
wake up
> > our intuition - not stimulate our manas. 
> > 
> > Katinka
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > > The "quote" does not come from the Stanzas of Dyzan, it's 
from The
> > Voice in
> > >  
> > > the Silence. And unfortunately, unlike the Stanzas, we don't 
have
> > the good =
> > > 
> > > fortune to have HPB's commentary for this ancient book, so 
anyone's
> > guess 
> > > on this line is as good as any other. Of course, if you 
succesfully
> > slay y=
> > > our 
> > > Manas, you will be rewarded with Avitchi. Good luck,
> > > 
> > > Ariel
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" 
<krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> > > > Ariel
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I am sorry that my discussion is irrelevant and a gossip 
for you.
> > > > But I donīt wish to be framed in one type or another.
> > > > I study theosophy but I donīt consider anything in it a 
Dogma.
> > > > If you belong to the " first group" you can recall 
that:the "
> > mind is th=
> > > e true 
> > > murderer of the Real.." ( Dzyan Stanzas )
> > > > It means that everything we catch through our physical 
sences -
> > the mind =
> > > -  
> > > is not the reality.
> > > > In this plane we do not see things as they are, but how 
they look
> > like.
> > > > 
> > > > Krishtar
> 
> 
>    
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