Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00437)

Hallo all,

My views are:

The following might be of some help in enhancing upon the issue.

Nasrudin in the tale called - "Climbing the Manas" part 1

Mulla Nasrudin called on a psychiatrist and told him that he had problems
and needed help. "I want to talk to you," said the Mulla, "because my ethics
have not been what they should be and my conscience is bothering me." "I
understand," the psychiatrist said, "and you want me to help you build up a
stronger will power, is that it?" "NO," said Nasrudin, "THAT'S NOT IT. I
WANT YOU TO TRY TO WEAKEN MY CONSCIENCE."


Nasrudin in the tale called - "Climbing the Manas" part 2

It had been a real big night at the tavern. Mulla Nasrudin had to be carried
back to his shack by his friends. When he woke up the next day, he was
started to see a huge ape sitting on the foot of his bunk. He carefully
reached for his 45. He took careful aim and said, "IF YOU ARE A REAL MONKEY,
YOU ARE IN A BAD FIX. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT, THEN I AM."


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AAA-Dal" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Theos-World Kama-Manas and Buddhi-Manas


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> MANAS Higher and Lower
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> Re: use of the word EGO
> KEY 171.; S D I 445
>
> I think that the resolution is through an understanding of the nature of
> the triune MONAD in man. I also think that we are trying to impose a
> single word/term parameter in definition and may be losing the IDEAS
> that the words embody. If we get the ideas straight, then we can use
> any number of descriptive words. But, as usual, students are trying to
> get a "short-hand" ready among themselves so as to communicate ideas
> more rapidly.
>
> EGO is a term used in "Manifestation." [ In one sense there are no
> separate EGOS when Manifestation is withdrawn into the ALL - the
> ABSOLUTENESS. ] However that period of time has an end and under KARMA
> manifestation starts anew. The dormant MONADS in their billions awake
> and start at the point where they "went to sleep."
>
> How does SPIRIT (THE ONE MONAD) manifest?
>
> IN MANIFESTATION the Monad is triune. [ SD I 570-75 ]
>
> ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS are a unit. This is because Buddhi and Manas give
> ATMA its contact with evolutionary and personal conditions. Without
> those two "principles" there could be no direct contact and the "lower
> principles" would be unconscious. They would be "alive" and developing
> as "MATERIAL" vehicles but the link afforded by the MIND to the SPIRIT
> would be absent.
>
> If one should ask when was the first CAUSE of manifestation, I would
> only say that it is lost in the "night of time." Metaphysically it is
> said to begin with the CAUSELESS-CAUSE. But this will be unsatisfactory
> to a finite mind such as ours limited by its views acquired only during
> this one life.
>
> This leads logically to the question: "How can we verify this ?" And
> there we are forced back into the position of saying: "You, we, all,
> are all in the middle of it." That is a fact. So if you want a
> "beginning." You will have to look for yours, and I for mine. But,
> taking absolutes and metaphysics in to account, we are forced ultimately
> to say that there has to be "a Cause." And we cannot find it. However,
> if we are able to ask such a question and search for an answer, this is
> proof that within each of us is "Something," a Living able to ask, to
> understand, and to seek. It is not diverse but UNITARY. Such questions
> come to the embodied mind as pictures wafted to it in its meditations by
> the HIGHER SELF - the INNER, RESIDENT "TUTOR."
>
> Technically ATMA-BUDDHI is named the MONAD [ SD I 178; KEY, 91-2,
> 119-120, 129, ] But the MONAD is also defined in SD I 174-5 fn, and
> elsewhere (see INDEX to SD ).
>
> This is what the LIGHTING UP OF MANAS implies, as I see it.
> [ see SD I 150fn, 159; II 69 264 411 608 ]
>
> If one takes the consideration of what HPB teaches about the triple line
> of evolution [ SD I 181 ] and also uses the INDEX TO THE S D then the
> matter ought to become clear.
>
> Ego is Latin and means "I" or "My Self." It is the EMBODIED SELF in its
> present condition as a "LOWER MANASIC self." But the Lower manasic self
> is only a mirror of the potential of its "Father," - the Higher Manas
> the true immortal EGO, linked to Buddhi and to Atma - those three
> forming the DIVINE TRIAD in evolving Man.
>
> WE all of us, are in this condition just now.
>
> But, because of the antaskaranic link between the lower and the higher
> Manas, there is for the EMBODIED MIND (Lower Manas) a "higher aspect to
> it." Our present mind is a "RAY" of the HIGHER MANAS - which is
> IMMORTAL along with ATMA and BUDDHI. When we aspire to act nobly, we
> activate the higher aspect of the lower manas, and the antaskaranic
> link.
>
> The Devachanic interlude includes that aspect of meditative review of
> the last lived personal life which cements the noble aspects of our
> aspirations, deeds and thoughts to the Atma-Buddhic MONAD permanently
> - so that the memory of this last lived personality resides permanently
> in the eternal, immortal MONAD. All the rest, being unworthy, is lost
> with the relative skandhas that relate to it and these are returned as
> aspects of our KARMA in succeeding lives to be purified and then
> translated into their ultimate permanency. [ SD I 220, II 374fn 196fn
> 281;
> KEY 107-8 ]
>
>
> But why not sort this out as clearly as possible ?
>
>
> MONAD -- a UNIT (of what ?) SPIRIT UNDIFFERENTIATED UNIVERSAL
> indescribable, illimitable.
>
> MANIFESTATION - MANVANTARA -- the result of KARMA on a KOSMIC
> SCALE.
>
> Prior causes bring on all manifestation. The entities that lived
> and worked in the pat will return with the rest of those that they are
> related to by KARMIC ties.
>
> In Man, this process is Analogetically the circling process of life,
> death and rebirth. [ HPB Articles III, p. 265 ; KEY 107-8, 147-148 ]
>
> The HUMAN MONAD is SPIRIT. Without BUDDHI it could have no contact with
> manifestation. [ SD I 570-575 ]
>
> BUDDHI is the accumulated record of all experience relating not only to
> individual "rays" or MONADS in manifestation, but also on a Kosmic scale
> to the UNIVERSAL MONAD, whether in or out of manifestation. For IT
> there is MAHA-BUDDHI. [ All the eternal record of experience is
> impacted eternally in the AKASA which is an aspect of MAHA-BUDDHI. ] [
> All these terms are in the T. Glossary. ]
>
> MANAS is both disembodied and embodied because the Spiritual Manas sends
> a ray to unite with the personal material form once that evolution has
> brought on a sensitivity in that form which is ready to receive and
> mirror it..
>
> This is the acme of MATERIAL EVOLUTION - the providing of a condition in
> which those Monadic rays" that have evolved through the "lower kingdoms"
> can continue their evolution as SELF-CONSCIOUS beings.
> It is in this stage and condition (ours) that the HIGHER ASPECT of LOWER
> MANAS can voluntarily learn to see that KARMA is universal, and that
> EVOLUTION leads to the goal of UNIVERSAL PERFECTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS
> whereby it becomes a truly UNIVERSAL BEING - with all knowledge and
> power in its grasp.
>
> But this great future is only available to those who grasp from this
> stage on the idea that they have to know KARMA, and knowing Karma, they
> abide by its rules and regulations VOLUNTARILY.
>
> If we desire to consider FREEDOM, then the only freedom that any being
> has is the freedom to be evil. That is if we define EVIL as
> contravening deliberately LAW (KARMA). Is it not strangely perverse
> that in us there is an aspect that desires to be so independent that it
> stands against the whole UNIVERSE and its great and harmonious, generous
> and brotherly laws ? Why should that be so ? And that is a question
> that each has to answer for him or herself.
>
> Hope that this is of help
>
> Dallas
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