Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00124)

BRAVO!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Leon, are you serious or is this a joke?


> Hello,
>
>
> In the ironic pessimism of Erasmos of Rotterdam he
> gives no hope for the possibility of humanity ever
> change:
> "Once the human race insist to be completely crazy -
> since all the persons from the pope to the most simple
> village man - from the most rich to the most miserable
> of the beggars- from the honoured Lady between her
> silk and cetin to the most vulgar in her dress of
> third category, once all of them decided do not use
> the brain "God" gave to them, and they insist to be
> entirely guided to the ambition, vanity, ignorance,
> why on the name of a rational divinity would
> intelligent man to loose their time trying to change
> the human race, to transform them in something that
> they never aspire to be? Let them to live in their
> happy craziness. Let's not deprive them from what give
> the most pleasure- their infinity power to turn into
> ridiculous."
>
> Fortunatly we had many that have tried to awake
> humanity from it's, superficial patterns. Dreamers,
> and martyrs, avatars and saints many have tried to
> bring humanity out of the egocentric world every human
> is rooted within. Around the messages such persons
> have left to humanity believe systems were built
> apparently with the aim to help the spiritual
> development of mankind.
>
> But the painful truth is that nobody ever succeeded!
> No one religious, philosophical, political or
> scientific system were and are able to offer solutions
> for the major problems that affects humanity.
>
> May be because every system created around a belief
> turn up into a crystallized body, were the structure
> itself becomes the main aim and the elevated ideas are
> taking second third and fourth places. They end up
> guided by their ambitions and greed and it becomes
> more important the structure itself than the aim for
> what the structure exists for.
>
> That means that no one organized movement that
> believes to be holding a truth, is able to give a
> real contribution for a better world, once the
> mechanism that rules the own organization is
> too egocentric to think in something else them it's
> own strength power and existence.
>
> So we find the Hindus criticizing the Buddhists that,
> criticizes the Hindus that criticize the muslins that
> criticize the Christians that criticize the muslins,
> everybody criticize the Jews. The Republicans
> criticizes the democrats that criticize the socialists
> that criticizes everybody. These sane people are
> ruling the world.
>
> T.S. fellows criticize the U.L.T., Alice Bailey,
> Rudolf Steiner, Gurdieff Society etc etc, and all of
> them criticize the Theosophical Society and each other
> also.
>
> What we see is the creation of ghettos, which every
> fellow within it thinks to be the best and to be into
> the only real path. But that it's not the attitude of
> a real theosophist that unfortunately I haven't had
> the luck to meet, at least within the Theosophical
> Society.
>
> We've strayed so far from reality that even the most
> elementary truths have become obscured. Everything is
> four or five degrees removed from its original form,
> and it's all conveniently forgotten before anyone has
> time to analyses it.
>
> It's obvious that any serious student prefers the
> original writings of Blavatsky, without alterations.
> What are you talking about few changes that the poor
> Judge may have made in the Voice of the Silence. What
> about the more than 10.000 changes that Annie Besant
> made on the Secret Doctrine?
> What Annie Besant did within the Theosophical Society,
> creating all those parallel movements, coming up with
> a new messiah, closing the esoteric section of the
> Theosophical Society and much more.
>
> About the ULT, I am not a member, but I don't know
> what happened that lately too many critics are
> formulated for them. What about critics for the
> Theosophical Society, that if someone starts can make
> an encyclopaedia out of it.
>
> But I have a question, I don't know if will be
> answered. It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas
> to create a dogma? Or to offer keys that would help
> students to fulfil the objectives of the Theosophical
> movement?
>
> It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas to offer
> a body of knowledge for people to be repeating it like
> parrots or to offer a body of knowledge that would
> inspire them and help to bring light and new ideas
> related to the three main objectives of the
> Theosophical Society?
>
> May be I am wrong but, all these body of knowledge
> within the Secret Doctrine was given for a purpose.
> What about the most important objective that I am sure
> nobody disagrees, Universal Brotherhoo?
>
> Why people makes groups to study H.P.B. or they spend
> their life studying about her, what she was eating,
> how was her character, the meetings she had with the
> Mahatmas, this line in the Secret Doctrine means this
> or that or the other.
>
> Why between so precious students as I see, there is no
> interest and effort to work for the cause that
> Blavatsky gave her life for? And this are stated
> within the main aims of the Theosophical Movement, and
> in the Mahachohan Letter.
>
> I haven't seen in the cause that Blavatsky worked so
> much for and in the Mahachohan Letter an emphasises
> for the following objective:
> to study H.P.B. life and writings. I think this great
> woman left us a sample of love dedication for a cause,
> a cause that was greater than her life.
>
> I am sure for real theosophists they are not going to
> be stuck "on the cherry over the cake" they will go
> deeper and try to give really a contribution for the
> cause Blavatsky died for. Unfortunately such persons
> are very few and certainly not within any Theosophical
> Movement.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Erica Letzerich
>
> --- "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear Leon,
> >
> > I have read your posting at:
> >
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/13318
> >
> > And my first reaction was:
> >
> > Leon, are you serious or is this a joke?
> >
> > Take this memorable passage from your posting:
> >
> > "Now, after all your barrage of lawyerly responses
> > with its
> > personalized pointed and leading questions -- I'm
> > more and more
> > convinced that this whole brouhaha stems from a
> > personal pique, by
> > you and a few other "disgruntled" TS
> > "organizationalists" against
> > ULT, its active associates and their defense of the
> > fundamental "undoctored" writings of HPB (as the
> > primary valid basis
> > of theosophical study). . . ."
> >
> > Are you trying to tell me and this forum that I am a
> > disgruntled TS
> > organizationlist? If you are, then do you ever read
> > my postings and
> > or ever read any of the material on my site?
> >
> > First and foremost, I am a student of
> > H.P.Blavatsky's life, work,
> > writings and teachings. But I am not really an
> > "organization" person
> > although I can appreciate some of the work of the
> > different
> > theosophical groups, organizations, associations
> > including the ULT.
> >
> > The following webpage may give you some inkling of
> > what I do:
> >
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/purpose.htm
> >
> > Over many years I have tried to work with ULT, TS
> > Adyar, TS Pasadena,
> > Point Loma Publications students as well as
> > independent students of
> > Blavatsky. See the list of names of some of the
> > principal persons
> > who have helped me in my Blavatsky research.
> >
> > For example, for many years, Anita Atkins (I assume
> > you know who she
> > is) and I exchanged rare Blavatsky material as we
> > each would find the
> > material . Never once did either one of us inquire
> > as to what
> > theosophical association we belonged to. It was
> > irrelevant.
> >
> > If I am totally against the ULT, why in heavens name
> > would I have the
> > following webpage on my site:
> >
> > Recommended Blavatsky Books from the Theosophy
> > Company
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/theosohyco.htm
> >
> > These are excellent reprints and collections of
> > HPB's writings.
> >
> > And when you mention the ULT's "defense of the
> > fundamental 'undoctored' writings of HPB", is the
> > implication that I
> > am somehow against having unedited, undoctored
> > writings of HPB? How
> > many times have I stated on Theos-Talk my own
> > preference for
> > facsimiles of HPB's original writings. That is why
> > I have criticized
> > MODERN PANARION reprinted by the Theosophy Company
> > since the articles
> > in that volume have been multilated by someone
> > (probably G.R.S.
> > Mead).
> >
> > For another example, see my criticism of the
> > COLLECTED WRITINGS
> > edition of HPB's Esoteric Instructions:
> >
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbes1extract.htm
> >
> > You write about certain publications and then add
> > "you and
> > the TS refuse to publish, sell, or acknowledge. . .
> > . "
> >
> > I am NOT responsible for the TS. Which TS since
> > there is more than
> > one?
> >
> > Some of these publications are listed on my site.
> > For example
> > Cranston' bio of HPB and Wadia's studies of SD.
> > These are excellent
> > books. See for example:
> >
> > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/introductory.htm
> >
> > What is the first book listed????????
> >
> > Why don't you and the ULT "publish, sell, or
> > acknowledge" the
> > Blavatsky works by Barborka, Spierenburg, Farthing,
> > Warcup, etc.?
> >
> > And you bring up again mention of "a few other
> > 'disgruntled' TS
> > 'organizationalists'." Who pray tell are these
> > other peoople????
> > Are they Tony Maddock or Peter Merriott who I quoted
> > as criticizing
> > the Theosophy Company's edition of the VOICE?
> >
> > In all seriousness, what you write in the posting
> > reminds me of some
> > of the "stuff" written by Paul Johnson and Brigitte
> > Muehlegger.
> >
> > Enough of this. Maybe you SHOULD start a new thread
> > on the
> > Theosophical teachings.
> >
> > Daniel H. Caldwell
> > BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> > http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate
> > things at
> > their right value; and unless a judge compares notes
> > and
> > hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct
> > decision."
> > H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2
> >
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> > simply typing into the URL address
> > bar the following 6 characters:
> >
> > hpb.cc
> >
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