Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00117)

Oct 19 2003

Re H P B's work: THEOSOPHY and the Societies and Associations

Dear Erica:

Thanks. 

This is excellent thinking and reading. We all need to use your good
counsel.

Agreed there is no useful or sound basis for criticism or in-fighting.
We all need to pool our studies and thoughts, this will help us all to
grow closer together and to TRUTH.

I note that any divisions of views occurred in the past and cannot be
undone except in the present by goodwill and united work. I see much
working of that in the past 10 to 20 years.

What are we united on?   

We all agree that there still exist facsimile (photo) copies of the
original books and articles by HPB. Everyone can secure and use those
for individual study. 

We need not be told what to "believe," but, we can be encouraged to
secure a sound basis of understanding of fundamental ideas that
THEOSOPHY presents, and relates to the Universe and our individual
progress in it, as immortal MONADS, working our way towards
"PERFECTION.". 

We owe what we know of THEOSOPHY to HPB' sacrifices -- and to the
Masters, through her. (Key, p 300-3)

We need to study that, and not any interpretations of those originals.
There lies trouble and division -- in those interpretations.

That is as I see it:

HPB compared the Branches and Societies and Associations to a bundle of
sticks. (In the KEY TO THEOSOPHY, see pp. 21, 210, 271-3, 304-7 )

Individually they (we) can be broken one by one.  

United they are unbreakable and indestructible, just as THEOSOPHY is an
exposition of the rules and laws of all Nature.  

Nature is not going to alter because of our criticisms. Karma is a
fact. Immortality is a fact. The Universe and all humanity exist under
identical and immovable LAWS.

You write:

"But I have a question, I don't know if will be
answered. It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas
to create a dogma? Or to offer keys that would help
students to fulfill the objectives of the Theosophical
movement?"

As I see it, In reading The KEY TO THEOSOPHY we find HPB scorned all
dogmas, as they were liming of freedom -- the right of all humanity. 

This information we have been given about the true nature of evolution
and its current administration by Nature (or UNIVERSAL DEITY), named
THEOSOPHY, is not a dogma at all. As you say, it offers us keys to use
in examining modern science, religion and philosophy. That is for each
individual to do for themselves. They have to pursue their own
interests, and see if they coordinate with the information and keys that
THEOSOPHY gives.

Let us then spend our energy on study, verification and then on
diffusing and propagating a knowledge of THEOSOPHY to the world of
thinking mankind.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Erica L
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:48 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Leon, are you serious or is this a joke?

Hello,


In the ironic pessimism of Erasmos of Rotterdam he
gives no hope for the possibility of humanity ever
change:

"Once the human race insist to be completely crazy -
since all the persons from the pope to the most simple
village man - from the most rich to the most miserable
of the beggars- from the honoured Lady between her
silk and cetin to the most vulgar in her dress of
third category, once all of them decided do not use
the brain "God" gave to them, and they insist to be
entirely guided to the ambition, vanity, ignorance,
why on the name of a rational divinity would
intelligent man to loose their time trying to change
the human race, to transform them in something that
they never aspire to be? Let them to live in their
happy craziness. Let's not deprive them from what give
the most pleasure- their infinity power to turn into
ridiculous."

Fortunatly we had many that have tried to awake
humanity from it's, superficial patterns. Dreamers,
and martyrs, avatars and saints many have tried to
bring humanity out of the egocentric world every human
is rooted within. Around the messages such persons
have left to humanity believe systems were built
apparently with the aim to help the spiritual
development of mankind. 

But the painful truth is that nobody ever succeeded!
No one religious, philosophical, political or
scientific system were and are able to offer solutions
for the major problems that affects humanity. 

May be because every system created around a belief
turn up into a crystallized body, were the structure
itself becomes the main aim and the elevated ideas are
taking second third and fourth places. They end up
guided by their ambitions and greed and it becomes
more important the structure itself than the aim for
what the structure exists for. 

That means that no one organized movement that
believes to be holding a truth, is able to give a
real contribution for a better world, once the
mechanism that rules the own organization is
too egocentric to think in something else them it's
own strength power and existence.

So we find the Hindus criticizing the Buddhists that,
criticizes the Hindus that criticize the muslins that
criticize the Christians that criticize the muslins,
everybody criticize the Jews. The Republicans 
criticizes the democrats that criticize the socialists
that criticizes everybody. These sane people are
ruling the world. 

T.S. fellows criticize the U.L.T., Alice Bailey,
Rudolf Steiner, Gurdieff Society etc etc, and all of
them criticize the Theosophical Society and each other
also.

What we see is the creation of ghettos, which every
fellow within it thinks to be the best and to be into
the only real path. But that it's not the attitude of
a real theosophist that unfortunately I haven't had
the luck to meet, at least within the Theosophical
Society.

We've strayed so far from reality that even the most
elementary truths have become obscured. Everything is
four or five degrees removed from its original form,
and it's all conveniently forgotten before anyone has
time to analyses it.

It's obvious that any serious student prefers the
original writings of Blavatsky, without alterations. 
What are you talking about few changes that the poor
Judge may have made in the Voice of the Silence. What
about the more than 10.000 changes that Annie Besant
made on the Secret Doctrine?

What Annie Besant did within the Theosophical Society,
creating all those parallel movements, coming up with
a new messiah, closing the esoteric section of the
Theosophical Society and much more.

About the ULT, I am not a member, but I don't know
what happened that lately too many critics are
formulated for them. What about critics for the
Theosophical Society, that if someone starts can make
an encyclopaedia out of it.

But I have a question, I don't know if will be
answered. It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas
to create a dogma? Or to offer keys that would help
students to fulfil the objectives of the Theosophical
movement?

It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas to offer
a body of knowledge for people to be repeating it like
parrots or to offer a body of knowledge that would
inspire them and help to bring light and new ideas
related to the three main objectives of the
Theosophical Society?

May be I am wrong but, all these body of knowledge
within the Secret Doctrine was given for a purpose. 
What about the most important objective that I am sure
nobody disagrees, Universal Brotherhoo?

Why people makes groups to study H.P.B. or they spend
their life studying about her, what she was eating,
how was her character, the meetings she had with the
Mahatmas, this line in the Secret Doctrine means this
or that or the other. 

Why between so precious students as I see, there is no
interest and effort to work for the cause that
Blavatsky gave her life for? And this are stated
within the main aims of the Theosophical Movement, and
in the Mahachohan Letter. 

I haven't seen in the cause that Blavatsky worked so
much for and in the Mahachohan Letter an emphasises
for the following objective: to study H.P.B. life and writings. I
think this great
woman left us a sample of love dedication for a cause,
a cause that was greater than her life. 

I am sure for real theosophists they are not going to
be stuck "on the cherry over the cake" they will go
deeper and try to give really a contribution for the
cause Blavatsky died for. Unfortunately such persons
are very few and certainly not within any Theosophical
Movement.

Best Regards,

Erica Letzerich