Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00112)

Hello,


In the ironic pessimism of Erasmos of Rotterdam he
gives no hope for the possibility of humanity ever
change:
“Once the human race insist to be completely crazy -
since all the persons from the pope to the most simple
village man – from the most rich to the most miserable
of the beggars- from the honoured Lady between her
silk and cetin to the most vulgar in her dress of
third category, once all of them decided do not use
the brain “God” gave to them, and they insist to be
entirely guided to the ambition, vanity, ignorance,
why on the name of a rational divinity would
intelligent man to loose their time trying to change
the human race, to transform them in something that
they never aspire to be? Let them to live in their
happy craziness. Let’s not deprive them from what give
the most pleasure- their infinity power to turn into
ridiculous.”

Fortunatly we had many that have tried to awake
humanity from it’s, superficial patterns. Dreamers,
and martyrs, avatars and saints many have tried to
bring humanity out of the egocentric world every human
is rooted within. Around the messages such persons
have left to humanity believe systems were built
apparently with the aim to help the spiritual
development of mankind. 

But the painful truth is that nobody ever succeeded!
No one religious, philosophical, political or
scientific system were and are able to offer solutions
for the major problems that affects humanity. 

May be because every system created around a belief
turn up into a crystallized body, were the structure
itself becomes the main aim and the elevated ideas are
taking second third and fourth places. They end up
guided by their ambitions and greed and it becomes
more important the structure itself than the aim for
what the structure exists for. 

That means that no one organized movement that
believes to be holding a truth, is able to give a
real contribution for a better world, once the
mechanism that rules the own organization is
too egocentric to think in something else them it’s
own strength power and existence.

So we find the Hindus criticizing the Buddhists that,
criticizes the Hindus that criticize the muslins that
criticize the Christians that criticize the muslins,
everybody criticize the Jews. The Republicans 
criticizes the democrats that criticize the socialists
that criticizes everybody. These sane people are
ruling the world. 

T.S. fellows criticize the U.L.T., Alice Bailey,
Rudolf Steiner, Gurdieff Society etc etc, and all of
them criticize the Theosophical Society and each other
also.

What we see is the creation of ghettos, which every
fellow within it thinks to be the best and to be into
the only real path. But that it’s not the attitude of
a real theosophist that unfortunately I haven’t had
the luck to meet, at least within the Theosophical
Society.

We've strayed so far from reality that even the most
elementary truths have become obscured. Everything is
four or five degrees removed from its original form,
and it's all conveniently forgotten before anyone has
time to analyses it.

It’s obvious that any serious student prefers the
original writings of Blavatsky, without alterations. 
What are you talking about few changes that the poor
Judge may have made in the Voice of the Silence. What
about the more than 10.000 changes that Annie Besant
made on the Secret Doctrine?
What Annie Besant did within the Theosophical Society,
creating all those parallel movements, coming up with
a new messiah, closing the esoteric section of the
Theosophical Society and much more.

About the ULT, I am not a member, but I don't know
what happened that lately too many critics are
formulated for them. What about critics for the
Theosophical Society, that if someone starts can make
an encyclopaedia out of it.

But I have a question, I don’t know if will be
answered. It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas
to create a dogma? Or to offer keys that would help
students to fulfil the objectives of the Theosophical
movement?

It was the aim of Blavatsky and the Mahatmas to offer
a body of knowledge for people to be repeating it like
parrots or to offer a body of knowledge that would
inspire them and help to bring light and new ideas
related to the three main objectives of the
Theosophical Society?

May be I am wrong but, all these body of knowledge
within the Secret Doctrine was given for a purpose. 
What about the most important objective that I am sure
nobody disagrees, Universal Brotherhoo?

Why people makes groups to study H.P.B. or they spend
their life studying about her, what she was eating,
how was her character, the meetings she had with the
Mahatmas, this line in the Secret Doctrine means this
or that or the other. 

Why between so precious students as I see, there is no
interest and effort to work for the cause that
Blavatsky gave her life for? And this are stated
within the main aims of the Theosophical Movement, and
in the Mahachohan Letter. 

I haven’t seen in the cause that Blavatsky worked so
much for and in the Mahachohan Letter an emphasises
for the following objective:
to study H.P.B. life and writings. I think this great
woman left us a sample of love dedication for a cause,
a cause that was greater than her life. 

I am sure for real theosophists they are not going to
be stuck “on the cherry over the cake” they will go
deeper and try to give really a contribution for the
cause Blavatsky died for. Unfortunately such persons
are very few and certainly not within any Theosophical
Movement.

Best Regards,

Erica Letzerich

--- "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Dear Leon,
> 
> I have read your posting at:
> 
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/13318
> 
> And my first reaction was:
> 
> Leon, are you serious or is this a joke?
> 
> Take this memorable passage from your posting:
> 
> "Now, after all your barrage of lawyerly responses
> with its 
> personalized pointed and leading questions -- I'm
> more and more 
> convinced that this whole brouhaha stems from a
> personal pique, by 
> you and a few other "disgruntled" TS
> "organizationalists" against 
> ULT, its active associates and their defense of the 
> fundamental "undoctored" writings of HPB (as the
> primary valid basis 
> of theosophical study). . . ."
> 
> Are you trying to tell me and this forum that I am a
> disgruntled TS 
> organizationlist? If you are, then do you ever read
> my postings and 
> or ever read any of the material on my site?
> 
> First and foremost, I am a student of
> H.P.Blavatsky's life, work, 
> writings and teachings. But I am not really an
> "organization" person 
> although I can appreciate some of the work of the
> different 
> theosophical groups, organizations, associations
> including the ULT.
> 
> The following webpage may give you some inkling of
> what I do:
> 
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/purpose.htm
> 
> Over many years I have tried to work with ULT, TS
> Adyar, TS Pasadena, 
> Point Loma Publications students as well as
> independent students of 
> Blavatsky. See the list of names of some of the
> principal persons 
> who have helped me in my Blavatsky research.
> 
> For example, for many years, Anita Atkins (I assume
> you know who she 
> is) and I exchanged rare Blavatsky material as we
> each would find the 
> material . Never once did either one of us inquire
> as to what 
> theosophical association we belonged to. It was
> irrelevant.
> 
> If I am totally against the ULT, why in heavens name
> would I have the 
> following webpage on my site:
> 
> Recommended Blavatsky Books from the Theosophy
> Company
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/theosohyco.htm
> 
> These are excellent reprints and collections of
> HPB's writings.
> 
> And when you mention the ULT's "defense of the 
> fundamental 'undoctored' writings of HPB", is the
> implication that I 
> am somehow against having unedited, undoctored
> writings of HPB? How 
> many times have I stated on Theos-Talk my own
> preference for 
> facsimiles of HPB's original writings. That is why
> I have criticized 
> MODERN PANARION reprinted by the Theosophy Company
> since the articles 
> in that volume have been multilated by someone
> (probably G.R.S. 
> Mead). 
> 
> For another example, see my criticism of the
> COLLECTED WRITINGS 
> edition of HPB's Esoteric Instructions:
> 
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpbes1extract.htm
> 
> You write about certain publications and then add
> "you and
> the TS refuse to publish, sell, or acknowledge. . .
> . "
> 
> I am NOT responsible for the TS. Which TS since
> there is more than 
> one?
> 
> Some of these publications are listed on my site. 
> For example 
> Cranston' bio of HPB and Wadia's studies of SD. 
> These are excellent 
> books. See for example:
> 
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/introductory.htm
> 
> What is the first book listed????????
> 
> Why don't you and the ULT "publish, sell, or
> acknowledge" the 
> Blavatsky works by Barborka, Spierenburg, Farthing,
> Warcup, etc.?
> 
> And you bring up again mention of "a few other
> 'disgruntled' TS 
> 'organizationalists'." Who pray tell are these
> other peoople????
> Are they Tony Maddock or Peter Merriott who I quoted
> as criticizing 
> the Theosophy Company's edition of the VOICE? 
> 
> In all seriousness, what you write in the posting
> reminds me of some 
> of the "stuff" written by Paul Johnson and Brigitte
> Muehlegger. 
> 
> Enough of this. Maybe you SHOULD start a new thread
> on the 
> Theosophical teachings. 
> 
> Daniel H. Caldwell
> BLAVATSKY STUDY CENTER/BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/introduction.htm
> 
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
> "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate
> things at 
> their right value; and unless a judge compares notes
> and 
> hears both sides he can hardly come to a correct
> decision."
> H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist, July, 1881, p. 2
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
> You can always access our main site by
> simply typing into the URL address
> bar the following 6 characters:
> 
> hpb.cc
>
--------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
http://shopping.yahoo.com