Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00021)

Hi Morton. I am not sure the teacher needs to be alive for there to still be
baraka. In my opinion, it is the potential shockpoints of the aim, so to
speak, that contain and amplifies the emanations of the participants as they
strive to fufill the unique and ever changing requirements that will lead to
its actualization. But when a form that suits the accomplishment of
requirements that have already been actualized is rigidly adhered to, it is
no longer alive in that there is not much force, there no longer being the
same level of necessity.. I am putting this in rather broad terms. We would
have
to look at the work of Madame Blavatsky very carefully to determine what her
aim was. If we say her aim was to create a universal brotherhood, even
though this may have been her aim, it may not put the finger on her exact
aim, as this is too broad to relate to specific doing. If we say her aim
was
to present certain concepts to the west in a form in which they could be
assimilated, this is probably closer to the truth. We all have a pretty good
idea of what these
ideas were and how and if they were assimilated. In the specific time in
which this was being done, a specific need was present which corresponded to
this doing like a hollow cave or a cup receive what goes into it. When
people moved in relationship to the
perceived necessity of actualizing this aim, there was a certain charge and
quality due to the specific relevance of their movements in relationship to
this.. Of course my interpretation of her aim could be wrong,
but my sense is that it is accurate,.
Imagine being one little person in the whole big world and then seeing
something truly major you could do that might profoundly effect the course
of the
development of future human beings. Imagine being a part of this, which was
all new, the thrill of it, the imbuement of being in that time and place and
acting in relationship to this, always discovering new connections and
linking things up in such a way that certain happenings could
occur, as if by magic, but in actuality, only having to do with knowing how
to make a good plan and insert certain shocks so it would not deflect.
Imagine the joy. All this "charge" was presumably communicated
to the people who surrounded Madame Blavatsky, not so much by her, but by
the
act of their own participation in relationship to what she was doing, which
amplified their own emanations, so to speak.

This is a different time in the world, and now there are other major
projects to do, as exciting as Madame Blavatsky's. Perhaps we need a
visionary to put things together in such a way that we can participate in
such a project. On a certain level, at a certain time, each person is
free to create his own project which suits his own capabilities at the same
time it corresponds to a need, but petty little people tend to get lost in
petty little projects. Do not be misled about each person working alone from
his own intuition. In my opinion, though some good works may be
accomplished, greater doing will not happen in this
way, as the intuition becomes mixed up with the personality and blunted by
such. This is kindergarten and though each person will have to struggle to
learn the alphabet, and maybe even to tie his shoes, we are all in the class
together. The person who participles in making it a better class will become
the helper of the teacher. . Since we have no teacher on this list , if we
create the right atmosphere, maybe what you call
the Mahatmas will touch us here, in an act of grace.

What does it mean to be touched by grace? In my opinion, specific, well
applied efforts by a little individual or individuals combine in such a way
as to form a set that can open a doorway for an angel, but if you think of
that angel the next time, it is no longer grace, because the memory of the
angel undermines the attetntiveness to what one is doing. which is what has
attracted him in the first place. I do not understand how human beings can
expect to rely on the appearances of angels, since they rarely appear. If
everything is already whole, it is whole, but, if not, doing consciously
from earth connects us to another plane in such a way that something else
can enter and make it whole for me. It is the art of making sense. Of
course if we make total sense, we will be graced, as there is nothing else
left to do, and sometimes we can create or connect to a shaft where grace
enters, but the average person seems hell bent to make things chaotic, as he
wants to do something, anything, before he knows what or how. If the
conscious manifestation of the body is the doorway to the divine. I
believe the appropriate step to take is that of self study, and that it is
pointless and irrelevant to talk about conditioning or unconditioning
theosophists.It is ourselves who are conditioned. When the conditioning is
recorded, the material will be released, as when you see, in present time,
that you are conditioned,, then you are less conditioned re to whatever
degree you have seen this. I do not see the point of your article. To
me it is a form of intellectualization akin to day dreaming. I do not
understand how it can relate to the daily lives of any of us on here in such
a way that we can be changed. If you could speak in simple words and tell of
your own experience, perhaps I could relate to you better. Also, I did not
like what you said to Katinka in your recent message. You implied she was
undermining Bart when what she was doing just the opposite. To me this is
dishonest. Sincerely, Wry.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky/Theosophy Websites & Resources


> Hi Wry and all of you,
>
> I was impressed with your email this time.
> Not, that you thanked me, but this one - and I quote you in the below:
>
> "To put it gently, there is a good chance that the Blavatsky
> > material has lost a lot of its baraka. This is not good or bad, in that

it
> > always happens and is to be expected, but unless this is accounted for,
> > there is going to be a lot of wasted effort and a continued pouring from
> the
> > empty into the void. What is baraka and how is it created? I believe
this
> > has something to do with a conscious aim in relationship to the physical
> > substances that are created and emanated from a certain individual or
> > individuals as a result of the making of a conscious effort to realize
> this
> > aim. "
>
> I think this is an important statement.
> But different branches like Alice A. Bailey's, Torkom Saraydarian's,
Summit
> Lighthous'ers,
> and others with their own recently deceased personlity - or the like -
will
> maybe just ignore that statement.
> That was why I some days back offered these:
> http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/BLAVATSK.HTM (Try only
Chapter
> 1) and
> http://home19.inet.tele.dk/global-theosophy/SUFI2.HTM (Try reading this)
> I am open for enhancements and constructive criticism to the content of
the
> last link.
> This goes for all the readers of this link.
> (I know the website needs improvement...)
>
>
> One version of Baraka is explained here:
> The value for a student to go to a Theosophical meeting with a real wise
> teacher is the following.
> Without saying anything the teacher emanates special designs, forces and
> energies and heals the crowd etc. Just being near such a person is
> important. You do'nt even need to talk with the teacher.
> This emanation of energies and forces or designs is Baraka - if it is
truely
> spiritual.
> But who is to tell, which teacher is doing so? The beginner student
does'nt
> really know that.
>
> Another verison of Baraka. The accepted view among Theosophists is:
> Blavatsky was spiritual. Some of the Masters supported the writing of the
> book The Secret Doctrine and creation of the Theosophical Movement at
least
> in its earliest days. Therefore there is a Baraka emanating around this
book
> and the Theosophical movement in general.
>
>
>
> Two questions:
> Where do you live Wry ?
> How do you learn how to learn ?
>
> Feel free to comment or do your best...
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky/Theosophy Websites & Resources
>
>
> > Hi. This is not a response to you in particular, Morton, but a general
> > comment on this subject. If we look back too much and in the wrong way,
we
> > will turn into pillars of salt, as in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
> There
> > is no way to balance things by doing this, and the imbalance leads to
more
> > analysis and a further attachment to material. It is a maze and there is
> no
> > way out. It has nothing to do with me and my opinions whether this is
> true
> > or not. It is a law in that a certain approach can only lead to a
certain
> > kind and quality of result.
> >
> > Moreover, re the Madame Blavatsky's material including the letters of
the
> > Mahatmas, whether they be real or fake, being time-appropriate. It is
most
> > interesting that I have had to present this idea to anyone who is an
> > educated theosophist and that this idea originally encountered so much
> > resistance (though this seems to be gradually changing) and that so much
> > hostility was expressed toward me for doing so, as this is so obvious
and
> > any good scholar of this kind of material could see it at first glance.
> > Moreover, it is my opinion that until this idea is understood and
> accepted,
> > things will be log jammed to a very large extent and people will miss
the
> > opportunity to use what is appropriate for this time and age from Madame
> > Blavatsky's teachings and apply it to the formation of a univeral
> > brotherhood. To put it gently, there is a good chance that the Blavatsky
> > material has lost a lot of its baraka. This is not good or bad, in that
it
> > always happens and is to be expected, but unless this is accounted for,
> > there is going to be a lot of wasted effort and a continued pouring from
> the
> > empty into the void. What is baraka and how is it created? I believe
this
> > has something to do with a conscious aim in relationship to the physical
> > substances that are created and emanated from a certain individual or
> > individuals as a result of the making of a conscious effort to realize
> this
> > aim. It is a most interesting subject and Morton does seem to be
pointing
> us
> > in the direction of exploring this. For now, maybe it is at least
> something
> > to ponder about. Sincerely, Wry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Blavatsky/Theosophy Websites & Resources
> >
> >
> > > Hi Daniel and all of you,
> > >
> > > My views are only views:
> > >
> > > I was searching a little and I got this page:
> > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/on_shearman.html
> > >
> > > I think it proves, that one just should NOT blindly rely on any of the
> > > Mahatma Letters to
> > > be true or untrue in any manner what so ever.
> > >
> > > That is just my conclusion.
> > >
> > > Feel free to agree or disagree...etc...
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Daniel Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
> > > To: ".DanielHCaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 2:16 AM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Blavatsky/Theosophy Websites & Resources
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've updated the following useful webpage:
> > > >
> > > > "Blavatsky/Theosophy Websites & Resources"
> > > > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/hpblinks.htm
> > > >
> > > > Feedback welcomed!
> > > >
> > > > Daniel H. Caldwell
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