Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00208)

Hi Wry and all of you,


The below answer are my views - short:
Thanks for your kind email.

I think one can go to far when bragging about oneself being better knowing
than others.
I think that - when viewed on a certain level - was your problem. Your own
conscience can tell you if these remarks will help you.

As for the lower part of the aura. That is there were all the blockage and
trouble often are hidden. So to get something wet - could have a meaning of
either too much astral inflow or just astral inflow - i.e. troublemaking
emailing. Or it could be a higher level of inflow getting the aura or
panties wet. The water or fluid doesn't exactly come from within - but from
sort of the outside, if you get the idea - because of the communication with
the world one is involved in.

Here a the Mulla Nashruddin story on the same:

"Nasrudin comes across a water pipe with a large bung in it.

Pulling out the bung, he is bowled over in the ensuing torrent of water.

'Ah!' he says [falsely rationalizes after the event]: 'Now I know why they
bunged you up!'

Of course, the story doesn't say what the water stands for. It may stand for
emotion? The pipe may perhaps connect with a 'font of wisdom' and hence the
water for inspiration and sustenance deriving from this? The bung may stand
for the inappropriate use of intellect, for faulty rationalisation?

Nor does the story say what came after. After the initial rush on its
release, the flow of water might in reality have settled down. There's a
kind of self-fulfilling prophesy operating here at a rational level: a bit
like the pattern in the other Nasrudin tale where someone is scattering
breadcrumbs around the house. Why? Because it keeps the tigers away...."



And that has of course not anything to do with anything sexual...right ? Or
has it.. ?
I will meditate on that...before saying something I will regret...
You see som persons might start accusing me of something...

(...And let us not forget, that The United Nations has been in need for help
for hours...)

In fact emailing is a lower kind of activity spiritually seen.
Maybe I should stop emailing.
I will meditate on that I think...




from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...




----- Original Message -----
From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Theos-World Wry on Blavatsky Part Eleven


> Hi.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Wearing the Pants
>
>
> > Hi Wry and all of you,
> >
> >
> > Wry wrote:
> > "When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing
pants,
> I
> > > am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force,
and
> > it
> > > well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though
it
> > > probably is true, isn't it? "
> >
> > My view is:
> > Hmm...
> > So what are you talking about - and what was I talking about ?
>
> WRY: If you're talking about the specific content of my message as a
unity,
> then, of course there is something else in there besides the stating of
> being offended, as I do not like to pour from the empty intoi the void.
> Actually, I do not take offense very easily and would not have mentioned
> this except for Erica's message.
>
>
> > Well I wasn't
> > the one starting mentioning anything about "wearing pants".
> > Apparently my words wasn't absorbed in the manner I intended.
> > My point writing the below remarks to you Wry wasn't as I see it a
> personal
> > attack - litterally speaking. My point was, that you Wry has in your
past
> 5
> > emails or so made a good job of telling others what they shouldn't do -
> and
> > claiming that you knew better.
>
> WRY: So, you are claiming I did work that was "good." I would agree.
>
>
> > In this last email of yours I thought you went to far,
>
>
> WRY: You have mentioned this more than once, and I honestly do not
> understand in what way you perceive I have gone too far in this particular
> email, and would appreciate it if you were more specific .
>
> >and I wanted you Wry
> > to
> > understand, that you still needed learning and maybe som new "panties"
> (i.e.
> > ALSO being the lower part of the human aura).
>
> WRY: Again, I do not understand what you are saying about the aura. Please
> explain. I have already explained that I do not believe a female can give
> the eucarist and gone into some detail about this, as I recall, but a
> developed reason is a PRE-requirement for doing any significant spiritual
> Work. An ordinary man will never be able to achieve transmutation by
virtue
> of being physically a man, whereas a woman who is able can help many
people,
> both male and female, achieve said results, but it would be so rare to
find
> either a man or a woman who is spiritually mature and also posseses the
> knowledge to do this.
>
> >will didn't think I was attacking
> > you. At least, that wasn't my intention. I do'nt hope that I have
offended
> > anyone, - you Wry included.
> > Sorry if my english is a little rusty from time to time.
> >
> > I didn't use the word "sex" or "sexual" in my critisized email. And
> somehow
> > the letters
> > got twisted by at least two persons here on the list to have a meaning,
> > which not necessarily
> > was the actual intended mode of reading.
>
> WRY: Well you did make a comment about physical appearance which suggests
a
> sexual undertone, and was also SEXIST, but probably this has more to do
with
> (a temporary moment of hostility) than actual sex. Sorry I attacked some
> guys' so-called "manhood" (actual wasn't even thinking of you at the time,
> but I see now that I may as well have been), but maybe it was not such a
bad
> idea. I know it sounds a little strange coming from a woman. In any case,
a
> real man AND woman possess inner unity (are fully conscious) and a
> developed reason, which is something we should all strive for. Also,
anytime
> there are sexual connotations, it is important to take the bull by the
> horns, as this is an important topic and we want to use it, like anything
> else, actively, be we male or female. It is not easy to be consciously
both
> active and passive, but this is what a real man or woman needs to do, each
> in his unique way, each being inwardly always active in relationship to
> life. Sex is a very important topic, and we should never shy away from
> speaking about it, as an understanding of sex is fundamenal to a human
> being's inner development.
>
> >The reason for this is, that there
> > is as I see it a karmic pattern here on Theos-Talk on the subject of
"sex"
> > and "sexuality". Some persons on this list seems fixated on "sex" and
> > "sexuality" in an sort of unhealthy manner. I have done my best to help
> both
> > you - Wry and all the readers on the list, - and the result is, that I
am
> > being accused of having certain intentions with my critisized email,
which
> I
> > MOST CERTAINLY do not have.
>
> WRY: Everything we say effects how people think of us, but do not worry.
In
> my opinion you have done some good work on here. We are just ordinary
people
> trying to help each other develop. Nothing else matters. Just use
everything
> on here for both yourself and the group at the same time. Then the wolf
and
> the sheep can find a way to exist together, as the third force will
protect
> the sheep. (For anyone who thinks this does not pertain to theosophy,
maybe
> you should ponder this).
>
> >
> > My point with the "panties" was, - that because you in you last email
> > bragged about your own - individual (being a grandma and all) - knowing
> > better than anyone else on Theos-Talk etc... --- that a certain kind of
> > chock-effect could maybe awaken you (and other readers) to face the
facts
> in
> > this world - and stop all the time telling everyone - how great you are
> etc.
> > etc. That kind of talk is quite silly and won't help this list, at least
> not
> > in the manner you presented it. Well, that is my humble view. And that
was
> > the - true - intentions with my email on a certain level of
consciouness.
> > I certainly do NOT hope that you are offended in any manner at all.
> >
>
> WRY: Without your response (reaction?) to (the little shock of) my
message,
> I would not have been able to make this message, which is exactly the
> message I have been intending to make for some time, but could not find
> quite the right way to present this material. It is about scales of
material
> and their interconnection in such that there is a kind of design and not
> just chaos. Perhaps we could call it a star.
>
>
> > And I would like you Wry to rethink your position on the below. Where
you
> > maybe - or maybe not is the Hindu sage - and - me - I am the sort of
> > 'annoying' (but wellmeaning) dog ! And no tricks this time.
>
> WRY: I know.
> >
> > "A friend of mine once went to see the chief of state of a certain
> > country. When they were walking on the grounds of the presidential
place,
> a
> > large and fierce-looking dog tore the loincloth off a Hindu guru who was
> > also
> > present and, barking loudly, cornered him by a wall. Now this guru had
> the
> > reputation of being able to tame tigers with a glance, but he obviously
> had
> > no such way with dogs, and he called out to my friend to do something.
> >
> > The visitor said, "A barking dog does not bite."
> > "I know that and you know that," the guru shouted back, "but does
the
> > dog know that?" ---"
> >
> >
> > I do hope, that you understand the joke, and that you not do consider
> these
> > as a personal attack on you or others !
> > (And let me point out, that I am quite certain that the dog is'nt up to
> > anything sexual, it just wants to find a master - or maybe warn the sage
> in
> > doing what the sage was up to - what ever that was - or maybe something
> > else... And maybe it was a very small dog. >:-))
> > Laughs...
>
>
> WRY: We are working together, so lets be serious. (ha ha).
>
> >
> > Spiritually interesting it is, that emails from time to time acts as
> decoys.
> > At other times - they are very helpfull and giving...
>
> WRY: It is important to be able to pretend outwardly to be either a wolf
or
> a sheep, whatever the situation requires, while inwardly always
remembering
> ones aim. If an ignorant man behaving like a beast comes and tries to
break
> into your home, you may have to pretend to be angry in order to protect
your
> family, but the clear-minded man who is inwardly unidentified will most
> likely have a better chance of survival.
>
> I am using this message for "Wry on Blavatsky part Eleven," because it
turns
> out to be exactly that. When I think of the number eleven, I will always
> rembember Teri, whom I love like my own sister. People thought I was
kidding
> when I previously said she was precious to me, but it was no joke. We can
> always say that if any detail it all was omitted, nothing would be the
same,
> and this is true, but without Teri's unique participation at that time
> (previous to the eleven interaction) none of what followed could have
> transpired. I knew from the beginning she was special and I hope to meet
her
> again someday, and, if the occasion ever arises, I think-feel-sense she
will
> appear at exactly the right moment. Sincerely, Wry
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Wearing the Pants
> >
> >
> > > Hi. Well, here is one comment, and maybe I will make another one in
> > response
> > > to your second message. I personally find any comments that refers to
> any
> > > kind of sexual arousal or which might mechanically arouse a sexual
> > response
> > > in anyone, inappropriate and offensive on an email list such as this.
I
> > > suspected my remark might elicit such a response from you, as you made
> > such
> > > a response in the past when you found out I was a woman, and at that
> time
> > I
> > > found it very offensive, but didn't comment. I believe your message
> would
> > be
> > > particularly offensive to a woman, as it is a form of sexual
> stereotyping
> > in
> > > a way that is very degrading.
> > >
> > > When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing
> pants,
> > I
> > > am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force,
and
> > it
> > > well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though
it
> > > probably is true, isn't it? You are also suggesting that a woman who
is
> > not
> > > good looking (actually I am slim and very good looking for a woman who
> has
> > > been post-menopausal for almost ten years and people generally believe
I
> > am
> > > a whole lot younger) cannot enjoy sexual pleasure, and this is grossly
> > > sexist. Anyway, I would not have sex with you as there would be no
> > pay-off.
> > > In a state of nature you would perhaps prevail, but on this list I AM.
> The
> > > aim is to bring up the seed, not squander it. I am sorry if I offended
> any
> > > men on here with my comment about wearing the pants, but any real man
> can
> > > handle that sort of comment without responding like a two year old, as
> > after
> > > all, he does have a penis. What if you had a choice between # one:
> living
> > > your whole life on earth having a penis and physically being an active
> > force
> > > in relationship to people of the opposite sex, but without developing
a
> > real
> > > active force within yourself and therefore always being a passive
> > reactive
> > > mechanism in response to life, salivating like a laboratory rat at the
> > sound
> > > of a bell, and never learning how to elevate your seed and use it for
> > > transformation, #two: being a CONSCIOUS woman with an active force
AND
> A
> > > REAL I and therefore a MASTER OF NATURE, and dying with a fully
> developed
> > > soul rather than like a dog? Which would you choose? Think it over.
> > >
> > > Re.the United Nations or capitalism or whatever, there is a way to
work
> > with
> > > people in such a way as to align material so that it configures so as
to
> > > effect (seemingly as if by magic, but actually by scientific
> principles)
> > > the trends and tendencies of broader humanity), My work of the last
> eleven
> > > years is studying how to do this via the medium of bulletin board
> > formats,
> > > such as email lists. This is not necessarily why I am on here, but it
is
> > at
> > > least always in my mind to learn more about how to do this when I come
> on
> > an
> > > email list, as what I am studying could benefit many people.
Sincerely,
> > Wry
> > > p. (not pee) s. I have read four messages on sufism and will comment
in
> > the
> > > future if you can control yourself. I am not saying I do not respect
> you,
> > > but it is inappropriate to use sexual imagery in these circumstances.
I
> do
> > > not know if your have ever studied alchemical writings, but on
occasion
> I
> > > have seen it suggest that urine is an ingredient that can be used in
the
> > > making of the philosopher's stone.Literally, this is meaningless, but
if
> > > approached allegorically we can understand that we are in a difficult
> > > situation and only by approaching it from within and without at the
same
> > > time, can a certain potential be harnessed, which could be very
valuable
> > to
> > > many if used intelligently.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Wry and all of you,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, well...
> > > >
> > > > Wry wrote:
> > > > "I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am actually
> > > > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> > > happens,
> > > > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> > > messages
> > > > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I
am
> > > about
> > > > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
> > list
> > > > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem
to
> be
> > > one
> > > > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Wry"
> > > >
> > > > Well - ARE you good looking as well ?
> > > > Then I would suggest that you take care, and don't get your panties
> > > > wet...>:-)
> > > > And besides, actually there are some, who are sort of non-phycically
> > > present
> > > > on this list.
> > > > But maybe they are not important ?
> > > >
> > > > But go ahead try to make - it "stick" and alter the "United Nations"
> (or
> > > > some other more or less international body) by making Theos-Talk
into
> a
> > > > picture (or a pair of panties) that suits you. No doubt that you
will
> > > LEARN
> > > > more on - Peace, Love and respect - as well the rest on this
list, --
> > the
> > > > fool Sufilight included >:-).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace... and love...
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:42 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi. It looks like the only message you have ever written on here
is
> > this
> > > > one
> > > > > message about me. Which figures. This only goes to illustrate the
> > > premise
> > > > > that a super-conductor works better when it's dirty. I am sorry if
I
> > > have
> > > > > caused you any pain or discomfort that you would not have been
> > > > experiencing
> > > > > already. When my karma for doing whatever I am doing comes to
fruit,
> I
> > > am
> > > > > sure I will get my just reward.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you would like to share any ideas or inspiration out here or
have
> > any
> > > > > questions, I am sure many besides myself would be glad to hear
them,
> > or
> > > if
> > > > > you have any questions for me, I would be glad to answer them. By
> > your
> > > > > participation, you can change this list, and in fact, you already
> > have.
> > > > The
> > > > > sheep and the wolf are representations of different aspects of
> > ourselves
> > > > and
> > > > > the conundrum we all find ourselves in. Until a human being learns
> how
> > > to
> > > > > eat consciously, he will always be food for something lower, and
> until
> > > he
> > > > > learns to sacrifice himself consciously, he will never be food for
> > > > something
> > > > > higher. Do you understand this? Think it over for an hour or ten
> hours
> > > or
> > > > > one hundred hours. Am I pretty nasty to share this with you or am
I
> > > nice?
> > > > > Should I be horsewhipped and thrown off this list (instead of a
few
> > > > > "Nazis"), or should you be contacting me through pay pal?.The fact
> is
> > > that
> > > > > every message I have written on this list carries the same kind
and
> > > > quality
> > > > > of material as this one.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you do not understand what I am doing on here, I hope someone
> > does.
> > > I
> > > > > like to present material in such a way that it sticks (to your
ribs
> > like
> > > a
> > > > > good hearty meal) and does not just go in one door and out the
> other.
> > I
> > > do
> > > > > not have that much of a choice about how to do this, as, in each
> > > > situation,
> > > > > there is generally only one "weigh." .
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am
actually
> > > > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> > > happens,
> > > > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> > > messages
> > > > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I
am
> > > about
> > > > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
> > list
> > > > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem
to
> be
> > > one
> > > > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Wry
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