Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00200)

Hi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Wearing the Pants


> Hi Wry and all of you,
>
>
> Wry wrote:
> "When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing pants,
I
> > am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force, and
> it
> > well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though it
> > probably is true, isn't it? "
>
> My view is:
> Hmm...
> So what are you talking about - and what was I talking about ?

WRY: If you're talking about the specific content of my message as a unity,
then, of course there is something else in there besides the stating of
being offended, as I do not like to pour from the empty intoi the void.
Actually, I do not take offense very easily and would not have mentioned
this except for Erica's message.


> Well I wasn't
> the one starting mentioning anything about "wearing pants".
> Apparently my words wasn't absorbed in the manner I intended.
> My point writing the below remarks to you Wry wasn't as I see it a
personal
> attack - litterally speaking. My point was, that you Wry has in your past
5
> emails or so made a good job of telling others what they shouldn't do -
and
> claiming that you knew better.

WRY: So, you are claiming I did work that was "good." I would agree.


> In this last email of yours I thought you went to far,


WRY: You have mentioned this more than once, and I honestly do not
understand in what way you perceive I have gone too far in this particular
email, and would appreciate it if you were more specific .

>and I wanted you Wry
> to
> understand, that you still needed learning and maybe som new "panties"
(i.e.
> ALSO being the lower part of the human aura).

WRY: Again, I do not understand what you are saying about the aura. Please
explain. I have already explained that I do not believe a female can give
the eucarist and gone into some detail about this, as I recall, but a
developed reason is a PRE-requirement for doing any significant spiritual
Work. An ordinary man will never be able to achieve transmutation by virtue
of being physically a man, whereas a woman who is able can help many people,
both male and female, achieve said results, but it would be so rare to find
either a man or a woman who is spiritually mature and also posseses the
knowledge to do this.

>will didn't think I was attacking
> you. At least, that wasn't my intention. I do'nt hope that I have offended
> anyone, - you Wry included.
> Sorry if my english is a little rusty from time to time.
>
> I didn't use the word "sex" or "sexual" in my critisized email. And
somehow
> the letters
> got twisted by at least two persons here on the list to have a meaning,
> which not necessarily
> was the actual intended mode of reading.

WRY: Well you did make a comment about physical appearance which suggests a
sexual undertone, and was also SEXIST, but probably this has more to do with
(a temporary moment of hostility) than actual sex. Sorry I attacked some
guys' so-called "manhood" (actual wasn't even thinking of you at the time,
but I see now that I may as well have been), but maybe it was not such a bad
idea. I know it sounds a little strange coming from a woman. In any case, a
real man AND woman possess inner unity (are fully conscious) and a
developed reason, which is something we should all strive for. Also, anytime
there are sexual connotations, it is important to take the bull by the
horns, as this is an important topic and we want to use it, like anything
else, actively, be we male or female. It is not easy to be consciously both
active and passive, but this is what a real man or woman needs to do, each
in his unique way, each being inwardly always active in relationship to
life. Sex is a very important topic, and we should never shy away from
speaking about it, as an understanding of sex is fundamenal to a human
being's inner development.

>The reason for this is, that there
> is as I see it a karmic pattern here on Theos-Talk on the subject of "sex"
> and "sexuality". Some persons on this list seems fixated on "sex" and
> "sexuality" in an sort of unhealthy manner. I have done my best to help
both
> you - Wry and all the readers on the list, - and the result is, that I am
> being accused of having certain intentions with my critisized email, which
I
> MOST CERTAINLY do not have.

WRY: Everything we say effects how people think of us, but do not worry. In
my opinion you have done some good work on here. We are just ordinary people
trying to help each other develop. Nothing else matters. Just use everything
on here for both yourself and the group at the same time. Then the wolf and
the sheep can find a way to exist together, as the third force will protect
the sheep. (For anyone who thinks this does not pertain to theosophy, maybe
you should ponder this).

>
> My point with the "panties" was, - that because you in you last email
> bragged about your own - individual (being a grandma and all) - knowing
> better than anyone else on Theos-Talk etc... --- that a certain kind of
> chock-effect could maybe awaken you (and other readers) to face the facts
in
> this world - and stop all the time telling everyone - how great you are
etc.
> etc. That kind of talk is quite silly and won't help this list, at least
not
> in the manner you presented it. Well, that is my humble view. And that was
> the - true - intentions with my email on a certain level of consciouness.
> I certainly do NOT hope that you are offended in any manner at all.
>

WRY: Without your response (reaction?) to (the little shock of) my message,
I would not have been able to make this message, which is exactly the
message I have been intending to make for some time, but could not find
quite the right way to present this material. It is about scales of material
and their interconnection in such that there is a kind of design and not
just chaos. Perhaps we could call it a star.


> And I would like you Wry to rethink your position on the below. Where you
> maybe - or maybe not is the Hindu sage - and - me - I am the sort of
> 'annoying' (but wellmeaning) dog ! And no tricks this time.

WRY: I know.
>
> "A friend of mine once went to see the chief of state of a certain
> country. When they were walking on the grounds of the presidential place,
a
> large and fierce-looking dog tore the loincloth off a Hindu guru who was
> also
> present and, barking loudly, cornered him by a wall. Now this guru had
the
> reputation of being able to tame tigers with a glance, but he obviously
had
> no such way with dogs, and he called out to my friend to do something.
>
> The visitor said, "A barking dog does not bite."
> "I know that and you know that," the guru shouted back, "but does the
> dog know that?" ---"
>
>
> I do hope, that you understand the joke, and that you not do consider
these
> as a personal attack on you or others !
> (And let me point out, that I am quite certain that the dog is'nt up to
> anything sexual, it just wants to find a master - or maybe warn the sage
in
> doing what the sage was up to - what ever that was - or maybe something
> else... And maybe it was a very small dog. >:-))
> Laughs...


WRY: We are working together, so lets be serious. (ha ha).

>
> Spiritually interesting it is, that emails from time to time acts as
decoys.
> At other times - they are very helpfull and giving...

WRY: It is important to be able to pretend outwardly to be either a wolf or
a sheep, whatever the situation requires, while inwardly always remembering
ones aim. If an ignorant man behaving like a beast comes and tries to break
into your home, you may have to pretend to be angry in order to protect your
family, but the clear-minded man who is inwardly unidentified will most
likely have a better chance of survival.

I am using this message for "Wry on Blavatsky part Eleven," because it turns
out to be exactly that. When I think of the number eleven, I will always
rembember Teri, whom I love like my own sister. People thought I was kidding
when I previously said she was precious to me, but it was no joke. We can
always say that if any detail it all was omitted, nothing would be the same,
and this is true, but without Teri's unique participation at that time
(previous to the eleven interaction) none of what followed could have
transpired. I knew from the beginning she was special and I hope to meet her
again someday, and, if the occasion ever arises, I think-feel-sense she will
appear at exactly the right moment. Sincerely, Wry
>
>
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Wearing the Pants
>
>
> > Hi. Well, here is one comment, and maybe I will make another one in
> response
> > to your second message. I personally find any comments that refers to
any
> > kind of sexual arousal or which might mechanically arouse a sexual
> response
> > in anyone, inappropriate and offensive on an email list such as this. I
> > suspected my remark might elicit such a response from you, as you made
> such
> > a response in the past when you found out I was a woman, and at that
time
> I
> > found it very offensive, but didn't comment. I believe your message
would
> be
> > particularly offensive to a woman, as it is a form of sexual
stereotyping
> in
> > a way that is very degrading.
> >
> > When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing
pants,
> I
> > am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force, and
> it
> > well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though it
> > probably is true, isn't it? You are also suggesting that a woman who is
> not
> > good looking (actually I am slim and very good looking for a woman who
has
> > been post-menopausal for almost ten years and people generally believe I
> am
> > a whole lot younger) cannot enjoy sexual pleasure, and this is grossly
> > sexist. Anyway, I would not have sex with you as there would be no
> pay-off.
> > In a state of nature you would perhaps prevail, but on this list I AM.
The
> > aim is to bring up the seed, not squander it. I am sorry if I offended
any
> > men on here with my comment about wearing the pants, but any real man
can
> > handle that sort of comment without responding like a two year old, as
> after
> > all, he does have a penis. What if you had a choice between # one:
living
> > your whole life on earth having a penis and physically being an active
> force
> > in relationship to people of the opposite sex, but without developing a
> real
> > active force within yourself and therefore always being a passive
> reactive
> > mechanism in response to life, salivating like a laboratory rat at the
> sound
> > of a bell, and never learning how to elevate your seed and use it for
> > transformation, #two: being a CONSCIOUS woman with an active force AND
A
> > REAL I and therefore a MASTER OF NATURE, and dying with a fully
developed
> > soul rather than like a dog? Which would you choose? Think it over.
> >
> > Re.the United Nations or capitalism or whatever, there is a way to work
> with
> > people in such a way as to align material so that it configures so as to
> > effect (seemingly as if by magic, but actually by scientific
principles)
> > the trends and tendencies of broader humanity), My work of the last
eleven
> > years is studying how to do this via the medium of bulletin board
> formats,
> > such as email lists. This is not necessarily why I am on here, but it is
> at
> > least always in my mind to learn more about how to do this when I come
on
> an
> > email list, as what I am studying could benefit many people. Sincerely,
> Wry
> > p. (not pee) s. I have read four messages on sufism and will comment in
> the
> > future if you can control yourself. I am not saying I do not respect
you,
> > but it is inappropriate to use sexual imagery in these circumstances. I
do
> > not know if your have ever studied alchemical writings, but on occasion
I
> > have seen it suggest that urine is an ingredient that can be used in the
> > making of the philosopher's stone.Literally, this is meaningless, but if
> > approached allegorically we can understand that we are in a difficult
> > situation and only by approaching it from within and without at the same
> > time, can a certain potential be harnessed, which could be very valuable
> to
> > many if used intelligently.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> >
> >
> > > Hi Wry and all of you,
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, well...
> > >
> > > Wry wrote:
> > > "I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am actually
> > > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> > happens,
> > > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> > messages
> > > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I am
> > about
> > > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
> list
> > > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem to
be
> > one
> > > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> > Sincerely,
> > > > Wry"
> > >
> > > Well - ARE you good looking as well ?
> > > Then I would suggest that you take care, and don't get your panties
> > > wet...>:-)
> > > And besides, actually there are some, who are sort of non-phycically
> > present
> > > on this list.
> > > But maybe they are not important ?
> > >
> > > But go ahead try to make - it "stick" and alter the "United Nations"
(or
> > > some other more or less international body) by making Theos-Talk into
a
> > > picture (or a pair of panties) that suits you. No doubt that you will
> > LEARN
> > > more on - Peace, Love and respect - as well the rest on this list, --
> the
> > > fool Sufilight included >:-).
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with peace... and love...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi. It looks like the only message you have ever written on here is
> this
> > > one
> > > > message about me. Which figures. This only goes to illustrate the
> > premise
> > > > that a super-conductor works better when it's dirty. I am sorry if I
> > have
> > > > caused you any pain or discomfort that you would not have been
> > > experiencing
> > > > already. When my karma for doing whatever I am doing comes to fruit,
I
> > am
> > > > sure I will get my just reward.
> > > >
> > > > If you would like to share any ideas or inspiration out here or have
> any
> > > > questions, I am sure many besides myself would be glad to hear them,
> or
> > if
> > > > you have any questions for me, I would be glad to answer them. By
> your
> > > > participation, you can change this list, and in fact, you already
> have.
> > > The
> > > > sheep and the wolf are representations of different aspects of
> ourselves
> > > and
> > > > the conundrum we all find ourselves in. Until a human being learns
how
> > to
> > > > eat consciously, he will always be food for something lower, and
until
> > he
> > > > learns to sacrifice himself consciously, he will never be food for
> > > something
> > > > higher. Do you understand this? Think it over for an hour or ten
hours
> > or
> > > > one hundred hours. Am I pretty nasty to share this with you or am I
> > nice?
> > > > Should I be horsewhipped and thrown off this list (instead of a few
> > > > "Nazis"), or should you be contacting me through pay pal?.The fact
is
> > that
> > > > every message I have written on this list carries the same kind and
> > > quality
> > > > of material as this one.
> > > >
> > > > If you do not understand what I am doing on here, I hope someone
> does.
> > I
> > > > like to present material in such a way that it sticks (to your ribs
> like
> > a
> > > > good hearty meal) and does not just go in one door and out the
other.
> I
> > do
> > > > not have that much of a choice about how to do this, as, in each
> > > situation,
> > > > there is generally only one "weigh." .
> > > >
> > > > I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am actually
> > > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> > happens,
> > > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> > messages
> > > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I am
> > about
> > > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
> list
> > > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem to
be
> > one
> > > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> > Sincerely,
> > > > Wry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <Graphinc@aol.com>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:34 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey, maybe you aught to read that again. You're not the only one
who
> > > never
> > > > > knows what this guy means. All he likes to do is throw mud on what
> any
> > > > real
> > > > > theosophist (you too, maybe) says or thinks, calls them ignorant
> > > dummies,
> > > > > never asks them what they mean, talks nonsense all around the
> subject,
> > > > brags
> > > > > about own wisdom, and then thanks them for letting him pump up his
> own
> > > > ego.
> > > > > Nice how some people can build themselves up by putting everyone
> else
> > > > down.
> > > > > Spouts brotherhood but doesn't act it. Talks just opposite of
> > Blavatsky
> > > > but
> > > > > says he speaks for her. That's sincerity for ya. Been watching
> this
> > > talk
> > > > > show for about three months. Seems like this person is trying to
> drive
> > > > > everyone off who is serious about theosophy, and make all the rest
> his
> > > > sheep
> > > > > herd. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing, huh?
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 03/07/03 3:05:51 PM, th.paijmans@wxs.nl writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Wry,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure as to what you mean, but thank you nevertheless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Theo
> > > > >
> > > > > wry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Theos. You will never run out of material such as the below,
> will
> > > > you?
> > > > > > There is always more. The further you get away from the core,
the
> > less
> > > > "you"
> > > > > > there will be and the more a series of mechanical reactions.
This
> > > takes
> > > > you
> > > > > > into the mouth of the wolf where, when ever the faint hope of
> > > something
> > > > new
> > > > > > or original starts to arise, it is immediately and continuously
> > > > devoured.
> > > > > > Because you do not have the discrimination to select material in
> > such
> > > a
> > > > way
> > > > > > that you can construct and design with it and apparently do not
> want
> > > to
> > > > > > learn how to do so, there is no way to reach you or connect with
> > you,
> > > > but
> > > > > > you are good to use as an example, and in this way, the wheat
can
> be
> > > > more
> > > > > > efficiently separated from the chaff. This list is actually a
good
> > > place
> > > > for
> > > > > > you, as there are many others like you, and a few who are not
like
> > > you,
> > > > > > which makes a big contrast. Between the this and the that there
is
> a
> > > > > > potential for a certain kind of material to be gleaned that can
be
> > > used
> > > > as
> > > > > > food for the development of something higher in a few. In this
way
> > > you,
> > > > too,
> > > > > > can be a participant in the establishment of a universal
> brotherhood
> > > > that
> > > > > > does not flounder over unrealistic and utopian ideals. People
like
> > you
> > > > make
> > > > > > messages like this easy to write. Sincerely, Wry
> > > > >
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