Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00170)

Hi Wry and all of you,


Wry wrote:
"When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing pants, I
> am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force, and
it
> well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though it
> probably is true, isn't it? "

My view is:
Hmm...
So what are you talking about - and what was I talking about ? Well I wasn't
the one starting mentioning anything about "wearing pants".
Apparently my words wasn't absorbed in the manner I intended.
My point writing the below remarks to you Wry wasn't as I see it a personal
attack - litterally speaking. My point was, that you Wry has in your past 5
emails or so made a good job of telling others what they shouldn't do - and
claiming that you knew better.
In this last email of yours I thought you went to far, and I wanted you Wry
to
understand, that you still needed learning and maybe som new "panties" (i.e.
ALSO being the lower part of the human aura). I didn't think I was attacking
you. At least, that wasn't my intention. I do'nt hope that I have offended
anyone, - you Wry included.
Sorry if my english is a little rusty from time to time.

I didn't use the word "sex" or "sexual" in my critisized email. And somehow
the letters
got twisted by at least two persons here on the list to have a meaning,
which not necessarily
was the actual intended mode of reading. The reason for this is, that there
is as I see it a karmic pattern here on Theos-Talk on the subject of "sex"
and "sexuality". Some persons on this list seems fixated on "sex" and
"sexuality" in an sort of unhealthy manner. I have done my best to help both
you - Wry and all the readers on the list, - and the result is, that I am
being accused of having certain intentions with my critisized email, which I
MOST CERTAINLY do not have.

My point with the "panties" was, - that because you in you last email
bragged about your own - individual (being a grandma and all) - knowing
better than anyone else on Theos-Talk etc... --- that a certain kind of
chock-effect could maybe awaken you (and other readers) to face the facts in
this world - and stop all the time telling everyone - how great you are etc.
etc. That kind of talk is quite silly and won't help this list, at least not
in the manner you presented it. Well, that is my humble view. And that was
the - true - intentions with my email on a certain level of consciouness.
I certainly do NOT hope that you are offended in any manner at all.

And I would like you Wry to rethink your position on the below. Where you
maybe - or maybe not is the Hindu sage - and - me - I am the sort of
'annoying' (but wellmeaning) dog ! And no tricks this time.

"A friend of mine once went to see the chief of state of a certain
country. When they were walking on the grounds of the presidential place, a
large and fierce-looking dog tore the loincloth off a Hindu guru who was
also
present and, barking loudly, cornered him by a wall. Now this guru had the
reputation of being able to tame tigers with a glance, but he obviously had
no such way with dogs, and he called out to my friend to do something.

The visitor said, "A barking dog does not bite."
"I know that and you know that," the guru shouted back, "but does the
dog know that?" ---"


I do hope, that you understand the joke, and that you not do consider these
as a personal attack on you or others !
(And let me point out, that I am quite certain that the dog is'nt up to
anything sexual, it just wants to find a master - or maybe warn the sage in
doing what the sage was up to - what ever that was - or maybe something
else... And maybe it was a very small dog. >:-))
Laughs...

Spiritually interesting it is, that emails from time to time acts as decoys.
At other times - they are very helpfull and giving...



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...




----- Original Message -----
From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: Theos-World Wearing the Pants


> Hi. Well, here is one comment, and maybe I will make another one in
response
> to your second message. I personally find any comments that refers to any
> kind of sexual arousal or which might mechanically arouse a sexual
response
> in anyone, inappropriate and offensive on an email list such as this. I
> suspected my remark might elicit such a response from you, as you made
such
> a response in the past when you found out I was a woman, and at that time
I
> found it very offensive, but didn't comment. I believe your message would
be
> particularly offensive to a woman, as it is a form of sexual stereotyping
in
> a way that is very degrading.
>
> When I speak of myself as being one of the few around here wearing pants,
I
> am not referring to something sexual, but to having an active force, and
it
> well may be only my inflated opinion and not the actual truth, though it
> probably is true, isn't it? You are also suggesting that a woman who is
not
> good looking (actually I am slim and very good looking for a woman who has
> been post-menopausal for almost ten years and people generally believe I
am
> a whole lot younger) cannot enjoy sexual pleasure, and this is grossly
> sexist. Anyway, I would not have sex with you as there would be no
pay-off.
> In a state of nature you would perhaps prevail, but on this list I AM. The
> aim is to bring up the seed, not squander it. I am sorry if I offended any
> men on here with my comment about wearing the pants, but any real man can
> handle that sort of comment without responding like a two year old, as
after
> all, he does have a penis. What if you had a choice between # one: living
> your whole life on earth having a penis and physically being an active
force
> in relationship to people of the opposite sex, but without developing a
real
> active force within yourself and therefore always being a passive
reactive
> mechanism in response to life, salivating like a laboratory rat at the
sound
> of a bell, and never learning how to elevate your seed and use it for
> transformation, #two: being a CONSCIOUS woman with an active force AND A
> REAL I and therefore a MASTER OF NATURE, and dying with a fully developed
> soul rather than like a dog? Which would you choose? Think it over.
>
> Re.the United Nations or capitalism or whatever, there is a way to work
with
> people in such a way as to align material so that it configures so as to
> effect (seemingly as if by magic, but actually by scientific principles)
> the trends and tendencies of broader humanity), My work of the last eleven
> years is studying how to do this via the medium of bulletin board
formats,
> such as email lists. This is not necessarily why I am on here, but it is
at
> least always in my mind to learn more about how to do this when I come on
an
> email list, as what I am studying could benefit many people. Sincerely,
Wry
> p. (not pee) s. I have read four messages on sufism and will comment in
the
> future if you can control yourself. I am not saying I do not respect you,
> but it is inappropriate to use sexual imagery in these circumstances. I do
> not know if your have ever studied alchemical writings, but on occasion I
> have seen it suggest that urine is an ingredient that can be used in the
> making of the philosopher's stone.Literally, this is meaningless, but if
> approached allegorically we can understand that we are in a difficult
> situation and only by approaching it from within and without at the same
> time, can a certain potential be harnessed, which could be very valuable
to
> many if used intelligently.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
>
>
> > Hi Wry and all of you,
> >
> >
> > Well, well...
> >
> > Wry wrote:
> > "I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am actually
> > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> happens,
> > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> messages
> > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I am
> about
> > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
list
> > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem to be
> one
> > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> Sincerely,
> > > Wry"
> >
> > Well - ARE you good looking as well ?
> > Then I would suggest that you take care, and don't get your panties
> > wet...>:-)
> > And besides, actually there are some, who are sort of non-phycically
> present
> > on this list.
> > But maybe they are not important ?
> >
> > But go ahead try to make - it "stick" and alter the "United Nations" (or
> > some other more or less international body) by making Theos-Talk into a
> > picture (or a pair of panties) that suits you. No doubt that you will
> LEARN
> > more on - Peace, Love and respect - as well the rest on this list, --
the
> > fool Sufilight included >:-).
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace... and love...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> >
> >
> > > Hi. It looks like the only message you have ever written on here is
this
> > one
> > > message about me. Which figures. This only goes to illustrate the
> premise
> > > that a super-conductor works better when it's dirty. I am sorry if I
> have
> > > caused you any pain or discomfort that you would not have been
> > experiencing
> > > already. When my karma for doing whatever I am doing comes to fruit, I
> am
> > > sure I will get my just reward.
> > >
> > > If you would like to share any ideas or inspiration out here or have
any
> > > questions, I am sure many besides myself would be glad to hear them,
or
> if
> > > you have any questions for me, I would be glad to answer them. By
your
> > > participation, you can change this list, and in fact, you already
have.
> > The
> > > sheep and the wolf are representations of different aspects of
ourselves
> > and
> > > the conundrum we all find ourselves in. Until a human being learns how
> to
> > > eat consciously, he will always be food for something lower, and until
> he
> > > learns to sacrifice himself consciously, he will never be food for
> > something
> > > higher. Do you understand this? Think it over for an hour or ten hours
> or
> > > one hundred hours. Am I pretty nasty to share this with you or am I
> nice?
> > > Should I be horsewhipped and thrown off this list (instead of a few
> > > "Nazis"), or should you be contacting me through pay pal?.The fact is
> that
> > > every message I have written on this list carries the same kind and
> > quality
> > > of material as this one.
> > >
> > > If you do not understand what I am doing on here, I hope someone
does.
> I
> > > like to present material in such a way that it sticks (to your ribs
like
> a
> > > good hearty meal) and does not just go in one door and out the other.
I
> do
> > > not have that much of a choice about how to do this, as, in each
> > situation,
> > > there is generally only one "weigh." .
> > >
> > > I do not believe I am driving anyone off this list, but am actually
> > > beginning to attract more people to it. Stick around and see what
> happens,
> > > but I will not be on here so much, anyway, as when the volume of
> messages
> > > gets this high, I must be out of here, at least for a while, as I am
> about
> > > to go back to digest, and if gets any worse, to just read from the
list
> > > page. Also, I am not a man, (though I might as well be as I seem to be
> one
> > > of the only ones wearing pants around here), but a grandmother.
> Sincerely,
> > > Wry
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Graphinc@aol.com>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Democracy American style
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey, maybe you aught to read that again. You're not the only one who
> > never
> > > > knows what this guy means. All he likes to do is throw mud on what
any
> > > real
> > > > theosophist (you too, maybe) says or thinks, calls them ignorant
> > dummies,
> > > > never asks them what they mean, talks nonsense all around the
subject,
> > > brags
> > > > about own wisdom, and then thanks them for letting him pump up his
own
> > > ego.
> > > > Nice how some people can build themselves up by putting everyone
else
> > > down.
> > > > Spouts brotherhood but doesn't act it. Talks just opposite of
> Blavatsky
> > > but
> > > > says he speaks for her. That's sincerity for ya. Been watching
this
> > talk
> > > > show for about three months. Seems like this person is trying to
drive
> > > > everyone off who is serious about theosophy, and make all the rest
his
> > > sheep
> > > > herd. Maybe a wolf in sheeps clothing, huh?
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 03/07/03 3:05:51 PM, th.paijmans@wxs.nl writes:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Wry,
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure as to what you mean, but thank you nevertheless.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Theo
> > > >
> > > > wry wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Theos. You will never run out of material such as the below,
will
> > > you?
> > > > > There is always more. The further you get away from the core, the
> less
> > > "you"
> > > > > there will be and the more a series of mechanical reactions. This
> > takes
> > > you
> > > > > into the mouth of the wolf where, when ever the faint hope of
> > something
> > > new
> > > > > or original starts to arise, it is immediately and continuously
> > > devoured.
> > > > > Because you do not have the discrimination to select material in
> such
> > a
> > > way
> > > > > that you can construct and design with it and apparently do not
want
> > to
> > > > > learn how to do so, there is no way to reach you or connect with
> you,
> > > but
> > > > > you are good to use as an example, and in this way, the wheat can
be
> > > more
> > > > > efficiently separated from the chaff. This list is actually a good
> > place
> > > for
> > > > > you, as there are many others like you, and a few who are not like
> > you,
> > > > > which makes a big contrast. Between the this and the that there is
a
> > > > > potential for a certain kind of material to be gleaned that can be
> > used
> > > as
> > > > > food for the development of something higher in a few. In this way
> > you,
> > > too,
> > > > > can be a participant in the establishment of a universal
brotherhood
> > > that
> > > > > does not flounder over unrealistic and utopian ideals. People like
> you
> > > make
> > > > > messages like this easy to write. Sincerely, Wry
> > > >
> > > >
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