Theos-Talk Archives (February 2003 Message tt00278)

Theo Paijmans wrote:
> So, netxt to the 'made in Germany and France'labels, we see the 'made in America
> and England' labels too. And on another note. Osama Bin Laden has been trained by
> the CIA, 
No, he wasn't.

> and Afghani Taliban were supported by the US Army in their war against
> the Soviets. It was American Stingers that blew Russian choppers out of the air.
That is right. They were instructed in defensive war, against attacking 
military forces. They were NOT instructed in terrorist activity by the 
U.S.; that came from other Arab countries.

> By the way, a small ironic point in America's war against drugs: 
There is none. It is a war on civil rights, using drugs as an excuse.


> when the Taliban
> ruled over Afghanistan, at least the heroin production stopped.
And Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Did you read any of the 
huge amount of literature about the oppression of women, just for 
example, in Taliban Afghanistan?

> As a side note: what, I ask you, about the deliberate attack by Israeli forces on
> the unarmed USS Liberty in 1967, an American ship? Do you actually know of that
> case?
10 U.S. investigations and 3 Israeli investigations all concluded that 
it was a mistake. The U.S. misreported the position of the Liberty (they 
had declared publicly that there were no ships within 100 miles of the 
fighting, but the orders to the Liberty to stay away were not received). 
An Israeli town was being shelled from a position approximately where 
the Liberty was. The Liberty was moving at near-warship speed, rather 
than the slower speed which noncombatants were required to observe, by 
both Israeli and American rules. The American flag was not properly 
displayed, and was knocked down, making the ship an unidentified vessel. 
According to CIA reports, the Liberty looked similar to an Egyption 
ship, the El Quseir. The torpedo attack causing the deaths on the 
Liberty only took place after the Liberty started shooting at the Israelis.

Once the mistake was realized, Israel offered their military to help 
with the rescue operations (an offer that was accepted). Later, Israel 
paid reparations to the United States and the families of the victims.

Bart Lidofsky