Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00413)

Hi Suzanne and all of you,

Now you talk about fear, and not about the problems, which Baileys books are
givning the present
theosophical oriented newcomers.

What do you want ?
I mean what do you really want with such emailing ?



from
M. Sufilight with peace...


----- Original Message -----
From: <gddsssuze@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?


> And I was being polite <wink>, must be the other one...
>
> HPB sayeth, "Fear and hatred are essentially one and the same. He
> who fears nothing will never hate and he who hates nothing will never
> fear."
>
> End of story.
> Most sincerely,
> Suzanne
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Suzanne and all of you,
> >
> > Why do you think I fear ?
> > (Are you projection your own fear ?)
> > The truth is, I want a certain number of pro-Baileys to understand,
> what
> > Martin Luther King Jr. calls "The urgency of the moment". (For more
> on
> > King - try his speech "I've been to the Mountain", which he gave
> just the
> > day before he died, - he knew, that he would die.)
> > I do honest work by making these emails.
> > Just like Shankara made people understand - what wisdom was in the
> old days,
> > I am doing my best to convince you and others, that the teachings
> of Bailey
> > and what they contains, slowly but surely are getting dangerous
> politically
> > seen. Politically seen on an international scale. The United
> Nations are
> > involved.
> > Dangerous to the cause, which the theosophical tradition belongs to.
> >
> > If the pro-Baileys of today really wants peace on the earth, they
> shouldn't
> > support such a claim as the Hierarchy was behind Hitlers bad
> actions ! And
> > not to mention the great number og pro-Baileys bias towards The
> Middle East
> > (and about 1.000.000.000 people).
> > How weird can one get.
> >
> > But, even though I have done my best. Some of you are still blind
> to the
> > truth.
> > And I don't get any answers to all my question from any of you,
> except maybe
> > P. Lindsay.
> >
> > Instead of answering you accuse me of being afraid.
> > And the truth is I just want to help people.
> >
> > I is not, that I am anti-Bailey. But Bailey is just not good
> enough !
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace on earth...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gddsssuze@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:17 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?
> >
> >
> > > "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think it is horrible, that you - seem - to find Shamballa to
> be
> > > the
> > > > driving force behind Hitlers black magic acts !
> > > > And that you even call that force divine !
> > > > True ?
> > >
> > > M.
> > > Why do you fear so much?
> > > The keynote of a black magician is selfishness... do you know
> anyone
> > > that is selfless? Divine energy is what you make it to be.
> > >
> > > HPB sayeth, "Fear and hatred are essentially one and the same. He
> > > who fears nothing will never hate and he who hates nothing will
> never
> > > fear."
> > >
> > > Most sincerely,
> > > Suzanne
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hi P. Lindsay and all of you,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > > Words can have different meanings. But there most be limits to
> the
> > > spoken
> > > > word - in our PRESENT Informations Society.
> > > >
> > > > I think it is horrible, that you - seem - to find Shamballa to
> be
> > > the
> > > > driving force behind Hitlers black magic acts !
> > > > And that you even call that force divine !
> > > > True ?
> > > >
> > > > My view is, that Karma allowed the black magic done by Hitler to
> > > happen.
> > > > The Masters 'acts' so to speak made it possible for the Hitler
> > > facists to
> > > > raise to power. But the Masters didn't support their actions !
> The
> > > Master
> > > > keept away for certain reasons, which are known by them and
> didn't
> > > interfer.
> > > > And Humanity learnt a lesson.
> > > > Agreed ?
> > > >
> > > > I will also question wheather Brahman acts at all, with the
> > > ordinary use of
> > > > the word 'act' taken in to account.
> > > > And that is why Alice A. Bailey is talking nonsense in the quote
> > > mentioned
> > > > in one of the earlier emails.
> > > > (Alice A. Bailey: "The Externalization of the Hierarchy";
> p.127, )
> > > > The central issue is that Baileys use of words in certain
> passages
> > > of her
> > > > books, - TODAY in our present society - are having tendencies to
> > > act as a
> > > > destructive force, and not as a constructive force spiritually
> seen.
> > > >
> > > > Those who supports Bailey among the newcomers, are often also
> those
> > > who
> > > > supports, a fanatic stance towards the present days Televisions
> > > newsflashes
> > > > and the newspapers propaganda - against, what is not a western
> > > lifestyle.
> > > > Try to think that through and the consequences of it.
> > > > Agreed?
> > > >
> > > > Presently: USA wants war, and Germany says NO, One wonders why.
> > > Anyone ?
> > > > Maybe the fake Bailey - masters are up to a new plot - using the
> > > Shamballa
> > > > force - and using their "Great" Invocation upon the United
> > > Nations ! Is this
> > > > true ?
> > > > What are your views P. Lindsay ?
> > > > I can only urge you to reconsider your support for those Bailey-
> > > groups who
> > > > PRESENTLY acts as very dubious sorcerers near The United Nations
> > > buildings.
> > > > Many, if not all of them, are wrong in being passive on The
> Middle
> > > East
> > > > issues, or by their passiveness not supporting peace.
> > > >
> > > > I deny, that any force named "divine" honestly can support
> black
> > > magic.
> > > > The motive will always be unselfish in its nature.
> > > > Words in emails are not the best to use, when are dealing with
> > > these issues.
> > > >
> > > > Is it so, that if I am a influential politician, and together
> with
> > > some
> > > > other countries starts a war, then I can just claim, that it is
> > > Shamballas
> > > > divine force which is behind me ? And if am from a western
> country,
> > > I will
> > > > be sure to find support to my claim ?
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever wondered why the appr. 1.000.000.000 muslims and
> > > their sufi
> > > > teaching are not really mentioned in the books written by
> Bailey or
> > > > 'dictaed' by what som dare call a MASTER ?
> > > > Have you ever deeply consider the consequences of this ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight...let there be peace on earth...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <phillip@e...>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > How can, any divine force, - and here the divine force from
> > > > > Shamballa (i.e. (Para)Brahman) with its open heart stimulate
> the
> > > > > tyrant in people ? Please explain that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Simply put, the First Ray of Will-power is the purest and most
> > > > > potent form of spiritual energy available to Humanity.
> Humanity
> > > has
> > > > > not redeemed its lower nature yet, or raised its vibrations
> to the
> > > > > level of this pure force. Therefore the point of least
> resistance
> > > > > will be Ray One's most materialistic expression in the lower
> > > > > chakras. That is why DK has said that the Hierarchy has taken
> a
> > > > > calculated risk or words to that effect, to allow this
> stimulation
> > > > > to occur. As a result Humanity will move very quickly through
> its
> > > > > evolution in this interim period. Heretofore, the Hierarchy
> have
> > > > > acted as a protecting shield to Humanity from the force of
> > > > > Shamballa. As I outline in my book The Shamballa Impacts
> (excuse
> > > the
> > > > > plug), out of all the 5 impacts *direct* to Humanity in the
> past
> > > 18
> > > > > million years, the last three have occurred in the last 200
> years!
> > > > > Needless to say that there is somewhat of an acceleration
> process
> > > > > occurring. And this is tied up with the karma of this planet
> being
> > > > > a 'laggard' in its spiritual evolution due to the moon chain,
> and
> > > > > the subsequent 'forced' process of evolution through
> initiation.
> > > > > Hope this clarifies...
> > > > > P.
> > > > >
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