Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00401)

And I was being polite <wink>, must be the other one...

HPB sayeth, "Fear and hatred are essentially one and the same. He 
who fears nothing will never hate and he who hates nothing will never 
fear."

End of story.
Most sincerely,
Suzanne

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@a...> wrote:
> Hi Suzanne and all of you,
> 
> Why do you think I fear ?
> (Are you projection your own fear ?)
> The truth is, I want a certain number of pro-Baileys to understand, 
what
> Martin Luther King Jr. calls "The urgency of the moment". (For more 
on
> King - try his speech "I've been to the Mountain", which he gave 
just the
> day before he died, - he knew, that he would die.)
> I do honest work by making these emails.
> Just like Shankara made people understand - what wisdom was in the 
old days,
> I am doing my best to convince you and others, that the teachings 
of Bailey
> and what they contains, slowly but surely are getting dangerous 
politically
> seen. Politically seen on an international scale. The United 
Nations are
> involved.
> Dangerous to the cause, which the theosophical tradition belongs to.
> 
> If the pro-Baileys of today really wants peace on the earth, they 
shouldn't
> support such a claim as the Hierarchy was behind Hitlers bad 
actions ! And
> not to mention the great number og pro-Baileys bias towards The 
Middle East
> (and about 1.000.000.000 people).
> How weird can one get.
> 
> But, even though I have done my best. Some of you are still blind 
to the
> truth.
> And I don't get any answers to all my question from any of you, 
except maybe
> P. Lindsay.
> 
> Instead of answering you accuse me of being afraid.
> And the truth is I just want to help people.
> 
> I is not, that I am anti-Bailey. But Bailey is just not good 
enough !
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace on earth...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gddsssuze@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:17 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?
> 
> 
> > "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > I think it is horrible, that you - seem - to find Shamballa to 
be
> > the
> > > driving force behind Hitlers black magic acts !
> > > And that you even call that force divine !
> > > True ?
> >
> > M.
> > Why do you fear so much?
> > The keynote of a black magician is selfishness... do you know 
anyone
> > that is selfless? Divine energy is what you make it to be.
> >
> > HPB sayeth, "Fear and hatred are essentially one and the same. He
> > who fears nothing will never hate and he who hates nothing will 
never
> > fear."
> >
> > Most sincerely,
> > Suzanne
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi P. Lindsay and all of you,
> > >
> > >
> > > My views are:
> > > Words can have different meanings. But there most be limits to 
the
> > spoken
> > > word - in our PRESENT Informations Society.
> > >
> > > I think it is horrible, that you - seem - to find Shamballa to 
be
> > the
> > > driving force behind Hitlers black magic acts !
> > > And that you even call that force divine !
> > > True ?
> > >
> > > My view is, that Karma allowed the black magic done by Hitler to
> > happen.
> > > The Masters 'acts' so to speak made it possible for the Hitler
> > facists to
> > > raise to power. But the Masters didn't support their actions ! 
The
> > Master
> > > keept away for certain reasons, which are known by them and 
didn't
> > interfer.
> > > And Humanity learnt a lesson.
> > > Agreed ?
> > >
> > > I will also question wheather Brahman acts at all, with the
> > ordinary use of
> > > the word 'act' taken in to account.
> > > And that is why Alice A. Bailey is talking nonsense in the quote
> > mentioned
> > > in one of the earlier emails.
> > > (Alice A. Bailey: "The Externalization of the Hierarchy"; 
p.127, )
> > > The central issue is that Baileys use of words in certain 
passages
> > of her
> > > books, - TODAY in our present society - are having tendencies to
> > act as a
> > > destructive force, and not as a constructive force spiritually 
seen.
> > >
> > > Those who supports Bailey among the newcomers, are often also 
those
> > who
> > > supports, a fanatic stance towards the present days Televisions
> > newsflashes
> > > and the newspapers propaganda - against, what is not a western
> > lifestyle.
> > > Try to think that through and the consequences of it.
> > > Agreed?
> > >
> > > Presently: USA wants war, and Germany says NO, One wonders why.
> > Anyone ?
> > > Maybe the fake Bailey - masters are up to a new plot - using the
> > Shamballa
> > > force - and using their "Great" Invocation upon the United
> > Nations ! Is this
> > > true ?
> > > What are your views P. Lindsay ?
> > > I can only urge you to reconsider your support for those Bailey-
> > groups who
> > > PRESENTLY acts as very dubious sorcerers near The United Nations
> > buildings.
> > > Many, if not all of them, are wrong in being passive on The 
Middle
> > East
> > > issues, or by their passiveness not supporting peace.
> > >
> > > I deny, that any force named "divine" honestly can support 
black
> > magic.
> > > The motive will always be unselfish in its nature.
> > > Words in emails are not the best to use, when are dealing with
> > these issues.
> > >
> > > Is it so, that if I am a influential politician, and together 
with
> > some
> > > other countries starts a war, then I can just claim, that it is
> > Shamballas
> > > divine force which is behind me ? And if am from a western 
country,
> > I will
> > > be sure to find support to my claim ?
> > >
> > > Have you ever wondered why the appr. 1.000.000.000 muslims and
> > their sufi
> > > teaching are not really mentioned in the books written by 
Bailey or
> > > 'dictaed' by what som dare call a MASTER ?
> > > Have you ever deeply consider the consequences of this ?
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight...let there be peace on earth...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <phillip@e...>
> > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:26 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > > How can, any divine force, - and here the divine force from
> > > > Shamballa (i.e. (Para)Brahman) with its open heart stimulate 
the
> > > > tyrant in people ? Please explain that.
> > > >
> > > > Simply put, the First Ray of Will-power is the purest and most
> > > > potent form of spiritual energy available to Humanity. 
Humanity
> > has
> > > > not redeemed its lower nature yet, or raised its vibrations 
to the
> > > > level of this pure force. Therefore the point of least 
resistance
> > > > will be Ray One's most materialistic expression in the lower
> > > > chakras. That is why DK has said that the Hierarchy has taken 
a
> > > > calculated risk or words to that effect, to allow this 
stimulation
> > > > to occur. As a result Humanity will move very quickly through 
its
> > > > evolution in this interim period. Heretofore, the Hierarchy 
have
> > > > acted as a protecting shield to Humanity from the force of
> > > > Shamballa. As I outline in my book The Shamballa Impacts 
(excuse
> > the
> > > > plug), out of all the 5 impacts *direct* to Humanity in the 
past
> > 18
> > > > million years, the last three have occurred in the last 200 
years!
> > > > Needless to say that there is somewhat of an acceleration 
process
> > > > occurring. And this is tied up with the karma of this planet 
being
> > > > a 'laggard' in its spiritual evolution due to the moon chain, 
and
> > > > the subsequent 'forced' process of evolution through 
initiation.
> > > > Hope this clarifies...
> > > > P.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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