Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00313)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
>


and these
"strangers" tell you this "over and over again for years."

BA G I was refering to a succession of strangers over the years, as 
no one who actually knows me thinks that I am a hateful angry person.
Mr. Wry you are twisting my words and infering mal intent on my part 
where there is and has been none. To write you this message in small 
case I am sitting-up unsupported within 18 inches of my monitor which 
is installed in a fixed position over the foot-end of my bed. You may 
take this statement as 'griping' if you like, but it is simply the 
fact. I had polio at the age of five, and now have difficulty 
sitting-up unsupported. In addition to a regular need for glasses, I 
also suffer intermittant respiratory failure oxygen deprivation, 
which is damaging my optic nerves, and is causing me other vision 
problems including occasional temporary total loss of my central 
vision. When I write in all caps it is because it is the best I can 
do at the time. It is never meant as shouting at anyone. If you want 
to take it as agression, that is your choice. I am tired of being 
abused here (on this egroup) and so I may stop posting here now.


I wish you well.

Bhakti Ananda Goswami




Hi.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:07 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Was BA G Defending Others?
> 
> 
> > Dear Mr. Wry,
> >
> > Please excuse the caps in the notes below.
> 
> WRY: To me, your caps are a form of agression. I have trouble 
believing you
> need to use them.
> >
> 
> > BA G/// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and 
insulting to
> > > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you 
analyzed
> > > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or 
are
> > > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > > puffed-up offensive manner ?
> >
> >
> > WRY'S RESPONSE TO MY LETTER
> > "In any case, you are insulting me by calling me arrogant and 
insulting.
> If
> > you think I am such, have compassion for me and show me the right 
way to
> > act."
> >
> > BA G I BOTH TOLD YOU AND GAVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF THE RIGHT 
WAY TO
> ACT, BY POINTING OUT MY OWN SINCERE APOLOGY FOR A MISTAKE I HAD 
MADE.
> 
> WRY: Telling is not the same as showing. If you keep looking back 
like
> this, you may turn into a pillar of salt (I hope not.) I guess 
everyone out
> here is starting to see our true colors, or, if not, will surely do 
so after
> reading this profound interaction.
> 
> 
> >
> > WRY "I believe you are lacking a sense of perspective and too 
wrapped up
> in
> > yourself and what people think of you. You are busy defending 
yourself,
> whom
> > you perceive to have been attacked, but I do not see you out here
> defending
> > anyone else who has been so called slandered or attacked. 
Sincerely, Wry"
> >
> > BA G NO WHERE IN MY LETTER DID I SAY THAT YOU HAD "SLANDERED" 
ME. I
> POINTED OUT YOUR UNWARRANTED REMARKS TO OR ABOUT OTHERS. SEE BELOW.
> 
> WRY: Actually, I was referring mainly to your message in which you
> threatened to sue someone, and also to all your talk about being 
slandered
> in the past.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > BA G'S DEFENSE OF OTHERS
> >
> > ///Why take a cheap shot at them on this site?
> >
> > //// So now you are debating with which graduate student?
> >
> > /// Why are you taking such an attitude to this fellow?
> >
> 
> WRY: I am dumbstruck. My heart goes out to you.
> 
> 
> >
> > WRY Don't worry about so called slander,
> >
> > BA G I NEVER SAID THAT YOU SLANDERED ME
> 
> 
> WRY: Bag Bag Bag.
> 
> >
> > BA G Why do you consistantly take such an attiude towards people ?
> >
> > > /// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and 
insulting to
> > > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you 
analyzed
> > > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or 
are
> > > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > > puffed-up offensive manner ?
> >
> > WRY: This is how I LOVE. You just don't recognize it as such. 
These words
> > can't hurt you anyway. It is just your imagination, compounded by 
negative
> > emotions.
> >
> >
> > BA G >>Or are you just habitually offensive with people
> >
> >
> > BA G Can you discuss ideas with people without insulting them ?
> >
> >
> >
> > WRY you are attacking me. Maybe it is my karma to be attacked.
> >
> >
> > BA G >>This letter is not an attack on you.It is a response to 
observing
> your behavior with others for over an month now.
> 
> WRY: And my messages are a response to observations. Bag Bag Bag.
> >
> >
> > BA G Why are you so arrogant and insulting to people ? It is 
unneccessary.
> >
> > BA G I BELIEVE THAT YOUR APOLOGIES ARE SINCERE, AND THAT YOU HAVE 
BECOME
> VERY CONFUSED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. THESE 
THINGS
> HAVE RENDERED YOU PRESENTLY INCAPABLE OF NORMAL HUMAN INTERACTIONS 
AND
> COMMUNICATION AS EVIDENCED BY SO MANY OF YOUR EXCHANGES ON THIS 
EGROUP. YOU
> NEED THE REALITY THERAPY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL HONESTLY TELL YOU WHEN 
YOU ARE
> TALKING (OR WRITING) LIKE A PERSON IN A DELUSIONAL STATE.
> 
> WRY: Yeah, Bag, THERAPY..
> >
> >
> > WRY: It is hard Work for something impartial that has no opinion 
to record
> > myself as a physicality, in present time, while "I" (it) is 
having a
> > reaction or whatever is going on, without analyzing it or even 
naming it.
> >
> > BA G > MR WRY, THIS KIND OF CONFUSED 'DISASSOCIATIVE' THINKING 
IS NOT A
> SIGN OF SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT, IT IS A SIGN OF METAL OR AFFECTIVE 
ILLNESS,
> OR BEING TERRIBLY CONFUSED BY A PATHOLOGICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
> 
> WRY: This is an EXERCISE called impartial self observation that will
> actually have the effect of physically grounding you more. It is 
similar in
> some ways to what Christians call "standing watch," and is not the 
same as
> having an experience of dissassociation, which is an unbalanced 
state. This
> exercise will actually bring you more into balance by harmonizing 
your
> functioning, but I would not recommend anyone who is mentally 
unstable
> trying it. In any case, this exercise is not for most people, even 
people
> who are mentally stable, and it is obviously not for you. I put it 
out here,
> as this list has some special people on it, a few of whom may be 
able to see
> the obvious wisdom and good sense of this simple kind of Work.
> >
> > WRY: Maybe I am a LIVING MASTER or maybe I am IGNORANT AND 
SUFFERING and
> > this is how I relieve my pain for a moment or two.Maybe I do not 
even know
> > why, or maybe I do, but if I do know, why should I tell you? This 
question
> > is infantile, like tearing the wings off a butterfly to try to 
find its
> > beauty.
> >
> > BA G THIS KIND OF THINKING AND DESTRUCTIVE IMAGERY IS AN 
INDICATION THAT
> YOU NEED HELP. YOU MAY BE VERY INTELLIGENT AND ACCOMPLISHED, AND 
A VERY
> LOVING PERSON, BUT YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS AS EVIDENCED BY 
STATEMENTS LIKE
> THIS IN YOUR LETTERS.
> 
> WRY: Bag, I know you don't realize this, but you need to state some 
kind of
> reasons for what you are saying, Also, bring your salt shaker with 
you when
> you read my material. Ignorant people do not know why they do what 
they do,
> and if a person does know, if he is conscious, he does not let the 
left hand
> know what the right hand is doing. You are a so-called Christian. 
Isn't
> there something about this in your bible? Such analysis as you are
> continuously doing will not free you from your fetters, but take 
you to
> straight to HELL. Does this wording suit you better?
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > BA G AS FOR MY OWN PROBLEMS, ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE I HAVE BEEN 
SURROUNDED
> BY HINDUS WHO THINK THAT ALL OF MY PHYSICAL AFFLICTIONS ARE DUE TO 
MY BAD
> KARMA,
> 
> WRY: Who even cares? We are all surrounded by people like this.
> 
> BUT I HAVE NOT TRIED TO HIDE THAT I AM AFFLICTED ON THIS SITE, 
WHERE THIS
> FACT WILL CERTAINLY BRING ME MORE BAD-KARMA JUDGEMENT FROM THE 
THEOSOPHICAL
> BAD-KARMA DETECTORS.
> 
> WRY: Then this is your chance to eat poison. GOD'S CURSES ARE OUR
> OPPORTUNITIES. By your acts we will know you, and by my acts, 
people will
> know me.
> 
> 
> > FURTHERMORE I HAVE A SON AND DAUGHTER IN THEIR 30s, AND 11 
GRANDCHILDREN
> AND NUMEROUS FRIENDS WHO DO NOT HESITATE TO TELL ME WHAT MY FAULTS 
ARE, AND
> TO FIND HUMOR IN MY SANNYASI-DOM OR THE OTHER ODDITIES OF LIFE. 
BUT ONE
> THING THEY DO NOT THINK IS THAT MY "...negative emotions are making 
you
> sick, or at least greatly factoring into your illness."
> 
> WRY: CASE IN POINT. Send me my check by pay pal.
> 
> >
> > BA G I HAVE A GREAT LOVE FOR PEOPLE, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER A 
LIFETIME
> OF SELFLESS SERVICE. THIS LOVE IS ALSO FELT AS A POSITIVE EMOTION, 
WHICH
> SUSTAINS ME THROUGH ALL MY SUFFERINGS. THIS LOVE IS THERE FOR YOU 
AS MUCH
> AS IT IS FOR MY DAUGHTER OR SON OR ANYONE ELSE. SOMETIMES WHEN I AM
> CONCERNED FOR SOMEONE, OUT OF LOVE I WILL SPEAK FRANKLY TO THEM. 
SUCH FRANK
> SPEAKING IS NOT AN ATTACK. IT IS OUT OF SUCH CONCERN FOR YOU THAT I 
WROTE MY
> PREVIOUS FRANK LETTER TO YOU, AND THAT I AM WRITING THIS LETTER.
> 
> 
> WRY: The problem is, Bag, material needs to be given in a form in 
which it
> can be assimilated. If you do not know how to hold the neck of a 
snake, or
> approach an animal, it will bite you, especially if it is injured. 
It is
> fortunate for you that I am neither of these, ( but I am holding 
something
> powerful.)
> 
> I ALSO TAKE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AS AN EXPRESSION 
OF YOUR
> GENUINE CONCERN FOR ME, AND THANK YOU FOR IT.
> 
> WRY: It is not just for you that I said this or that I say 
anything. In
> fact, I would never say anything like this to an individual, as it 
would
> only build up resistance.
> 
> I AM USED TO BEING TOLD THAT I AM SICK BECAUSE OF BAD KARMA,
> 
> WRY: You have a lot of GRIPES. It seems to be a characteristic of 
your
> personality and is probably affecting your health. It is also 
probably a
> part of your defense structure to be sick. Even with organic 
factors,
> syndromes can develop, and frequently, they do.
> 
> AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE STRANGERS WHO TELL ME THIS THINK IT IS 
SOMETHING
> THAT I NEED TO HEAR, OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR YEARS.
> 
> WRY: Who even cares, but I note here that you have said that you 
have
> "strangers" who tell you it is your "karma" that you are sick, and 
these
> "strangers" tell you this "over and over again for years."
> 
> HOWEVER PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME WELL, AND KNOW MY VOWS, HAVE A 
DIFFERENT VIEW OF
> MY 'BAD KARMA' SUFFERING, AND THEREFORE DON'T FEEL THE NECESSITY TO 
TELL ME
> ABOUT IT.
> 
> WRY: However, there is no point in saying this. This details will 
not take
> you to your "GOD," You are at a juncture. If you can understand my 
message,
> your health will improve. There is no "you" in the sense you are 
clinging to
> it. It is a complex based on thought and memory and in your case, 
the
> complex is most likely making you sick. My hunch is that you are 
stuffing
> anger. Don't worry about Thesophists and how they approach material 
from
> pre-conclusions and reference points. When you stop doing the same, 
maybe
> others will stop, too. Litigators attract the people they sue just 
like
> ignorant people attract living masters. Without one, there is not 
the other.
> What is outside of all of this can heal. This is the point of all
> monotheism, and a thought of "God" will never bring transendence, 
but only
> its opposite. Sincerely, Wry
> 
> >
> > BEST WISHES,
> >
> > BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI
> >
> >
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