Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00316)

Hi. I really have to go someplace, but a few short words.

----- Original Message -----
From: <bhakti.eohn@verizon.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Was BA G Defending Others?


> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
> >
>
>
> and these
> "strangers" tell you this "over and over again for years."
>
> BA G I was refering to a succession of strangers over the years, as
> no one who actually knows me thinks that I am a hateful angry person.

WRY: We all have some kind of agressive tendencies, is my guess. Maybe your
health goes up and down according to anger and stress. If so, this is pretty
normal. I have not told people on here about my own health problems in the
past and even recently, and that I am a healer.


> Mr. Wry you are twisting my words and infering mal intent on my part
> where there is and has been none.


WRY: The point is that you are too wrapped up in yourself. I know it is hard
not to be when you are sick. I became really self-focused recently when I
was sick a few days ago.

<To write you this message in small
> case I am sitting-up unsupported within 18 inches of my monitor which
> is installed in a fixed position over the foot-end of my bed. You may
> take this statement as 'griping' if you like, but it is simply the
> fact. I had polio at the age of five, and now have difficulty
> sitting-up unsupported. In addition to a regular need for glasses, I
> also suffer intermittant respiratory failure oxygen deprivation,
> which is damaging my optic nerves, and is causing me other vision
> problems including occasional temporary total loss of my central
> vision. When I write in all caps it is because it is the best I can
> do at the time.


WRY: It must be lonely being sick and stuck in bed like that. If it gets so
bad you must use caps, maybe it is good not to write, but I really don't
know.

<<It is never meant as shouting at anyone. If you want
> to take it as agression, that is your choice. I am tired of being
> abused here (on this egroup) and so I may stop posting here now.

WRY: This sounds to me like a GUILT TRIP. There are interesting ideas on
here right now. It would be good to hear your comments on ideas, not
personalities.I notice you did not respond to what I said about impartial
self-observation. You said some whacko stuff about me, and probably far more
absusive and further from the truth than anything I've ever said about you
or anyone, but that's o.k. It's endearing.

I used to be a mystic and have had many incredible mystical experiences. I
used to be very sick, off and on, for nineteen years, and still am
sometimes, but not as bad. Once I was so sick and lying on the floor (on a
pallet) in unbearable pain, and I moaned outloud, while lying there, "I'm so
sick," and something from outside completely recorded this whole sequence.
There was a complete seeing of this as a reactive pattern (not that I wasn't
sick, or of the inner dynamics of the syndrome, but of the feeling of it and
the saying of the words.) There was NO ME. It was all an illusion. I had the
most powerful mystical experience of my life, which lasted for several days.

You need to do what is meaningful to yourself. These little words cannot
hurt you, as there is no "you" (in a psychological, not physical sense) for
me or anyone else to hurt, but if you want to think there is, that's o.k.
There is no real abuse, just a few words. It should all be painless. If it
is causing emotional pain, this is an opportunity. I have been through all
this myself, and still go through it sometimes.

>
>
> I wish you well.

WRY: I wish you well, too. Tonight will be better.
>
> Bhakti Ananda Goswami
>
>
>
>
> Hi.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:07 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Was BA G Defending Others?
> >
> >
> > > Dear Mr. Wry,
> > >
> > > Please excuse the caps in the notes below.
> >
> > WRY: To me, your caps are a form of agression. I have trouble
> believing you
> > need to use them.
> > >
> >
> > > BA G/// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and
> insulting to
> > > > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you
> analyzed
> > > > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or
> are
> > > > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > > > puffed-up offensive manner ?
> > >
> > >
> > > WRY'S RESPONSE TO MY LETTER
> > > "In any case, you are insulting me by calling me arrogant and
> insulting.
> > If
> > > you think I am such, have compassion for me and show me the right
> way to
> > > act."
> > >
> > > BA G I BOTH TOLD YOU AND GAVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF THE RIGHT
> WAY TO
> > ACT, BY POINTING OUT MY OWN SINCERE APOLOGY FOR A MISTAKE I HAD
> MADE.
> >
> > WRY: Telling is not the same as showing. If you keep looking back
> like
> > this, you may turn into a pillar of salt (I hope not.) I guess
> everyone out
> > here is starting to see our true colors, or, if not, will surely do
> so after
> > reading this profound interaction.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > WRY "I believe you are lacking a sense of perspective and too
> wrapped up
> > in
> > > yourself and what people think of you. You are busy defending
> yourself,
> > whom
> > > you perceive to have been attacked, but I do not see you out here
> > defending
> > > anyone else who has been so called slandered or attacked.
> Sincerely, Wry"
> > >
> > > BA G NO WHERE IN MY LETTER DID I SAY THAT YOU HAD "SLANDERED"
> ME. I
> > POINTED OUT YOUR UNWARRANTED REMARKS TO OR ABOUT OTHERS. SEE BELOW.
> >
> > WRY: Actually, I was referring mainly to your message in which you
> > threatened to sue someone, and also to all your talk about being
> slandered
> > in the past.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G'S DEFENSE OF OTHERS
> > >
> > > ///Why take a cheap shot at them on this site?
> > >
> > > //// So now you are debating with which graduate student?
> > >
> > > /// Why are you taking such an attitude to this fellow?
> > >
> >
> > WRY: I am dumbstruck. My heart goes out to you.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > WRY Don't worry about so called slander,
> > >
> > > BA G I NEVER SAID THAT YOU SLANDERED ME
> >
> >
> > WRY: Bag Bag Bag.
> >
> > >
> > > BA G Why do you consistantly take such an attiude towards people ?
> > >
> > > > /// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and
> insulting to
> > > > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you
> analyzed
> > > > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or
> are
> > > > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > > > puffed-up offensive manner ?
> > >
> > > WRY: This is how I LOVE. You just don't recognize it as such.
> These words
> > > can't hurt you anyway. It is just your imagination, compounded by
> negative
> > > emotions.
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G >>Or are you just habitually offensive with people
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G Can you discuss ideas with people without insulting them ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > WRY you are attacking me. Maybe it is my karma to be attacked.
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G >>This letter is not an attack on you.It is a response to
> observing
> > your behavior with others for over an month now.
> >
> > WRY: And my messages are a response to observations. Bag Bag Bag.
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G Why are you so arrogant and insulting to people ? It is
> unneccessary.
> > >
> > > BA G I BELIEVE THAT YOUR APOLOGIES ARE SINCERE, AND THAT YOU HAVE
> BECOME
> > VERY CONFUSED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. THESE
> THINGS
> > HAVE RENDERED YOU PRESENTLY INCAPABLE OF NORMAL HUMAN INTERACTIONS
> AND
> > COMMUNICATION AS EVIDENCED BY SO MANY OF YOUR EXCHANGES ON THIS
> EGROUP. YOU
> > NEED THE REALITY THERAPY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL HONESTLY TELL YOU WHEN
> YOU ARE
> > TALKING (OR WRITING) LIKE A PERSON IN A DELUSIONAL STATE.
> >
> > WRY: Yeah, Bag, THERAPY..
> > >
> > >
> > > WRY: It is hard Work for something impartial that has no opinion
> to record
> > > myself as a physicality, in present time, while "I" (it) is
> having a
> > > reaction or whatever is going on, without analyzing it or even
> naming it.
> > >
> > > BA G > MR WRY, THIS KIND OF CONFUSED 'DISASSOCIATIVE' THINKING
> IS NOT A
> > SIGN OF SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT, IT IS A SIGN OF METAL OR AFFECTIVE
> ILLNESS,
> > OR BEING TERRIBLY CONFUSED BY A PATHOLOGICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.
> >
> > WRY: This is an EXERCISE called impartial self observation that will
> > actually have the effect of physically grounding you more. It is
> similar in
> > some ways to what Christians call "standing watch," and is not the
> same as
> > having an experience of dissassociation, which is an unbalanced
> state. This
> > exercise will actually bring you more into balance by harmonizing
> your
> > functioning, but I would not recommend anyone who is mentally
> unstable
> > trying it. In any case, this exercise is not for most people, even
> people
> > who are mentally stable, and it is obviously not for you. I put it
> out here,
> > as this list has some special people on it, a few of whom may be
> able to see
> > the obvious wisdom and good sense of this simple kind of Work.
> > >
> > > WRY: Maybe I am a LIVING MASTER or maybe I am IGNORANT AND
> SUFFERING and
> > > this is how I relieve my pain for a moment or two.Maybe I do not
> even know
> > > why, or maybe I do, but if I do know, why should I tell you? This
> question
> > > is infantile, like tearing the wings off a butterfly to try to
> find its
> > > beauty.
> > >
> > > BA G THIS KIND OF THINKING AND DESTRUCTIVE IMAGERY IS AN
> INDICATION THAT
> > YOU NEED HELP. YOU MAY BE VERY INTELLIGENT AND ACCOMPLISHED, AND
> A VERY
> > LOVING PERSON, BUT YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS AS EVIDENCED BY
> STATEMENTS LIKE
> > THIS IN YOUR LETTERS.
> >
> > WRY: Bag, I know you don't realize this, but you need to state some
> kind of
> > reasons for what you are saying, Also, bring your salt shaker with
> you when
> > you read my material. Ignorant people do not know why they do what
> they do,
> > and if a person does know, if he is conscious, he does not let the
> left hand
> > know what the right hand is doing. You are a so-called Christian.
> Isn't
> > there something about this in your bible? Such analysis as you are
> > continuously doing will not free you from your fetters, but take
> you to
> > straight to HELL. Does this wording suit you better?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > BA G AS FOR MY OWN PROBLEMS, ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE I HAVE BEEN
> SURROUNDED
> > BY HINDUS WHO THINK THAT ALL OF MY PHYSICAL AFFLICTIONS ARE DUE TO
> MY BAD
> > KARMA,
> >
> > WRY: Who even cares? We are all surrounded by people like this.
> >
> > BUT I HAVE NOT TRIED TO HIDE THAT I AM AFFLICTED ON THIS SITE,
> WHERE THIS
> > FACT WILL CERTAINLY BRING ME MORE BAD-KARMA JUDGEMENT FROM THE
> THEOSOPHICAL
> > BAD-KARMA DETECTORS.
> >
> > WRY: Then this is your chance to eat poison. GOD'S CURSES ARE OUR
> > OPPORTUNITIES. By your acts we will know you, and by my acts,
> people will
> > know me.
> >
> >
> > > FURTHERMORE I HAVE A SON AND DAUGHTER IN THEIR 30s, AND 11
> GRANDCHILDREN
> > AND NUMEROUS FRIENDS WHO DO NOT HESITATE TO TELL ME WHAT MY FAULTS
> ARE, AND
> > TO FIND HUMOR IN MY SANNYASI-DOM OR THE OTHER ODDITIES OF LIFE.
> BUT ONE
> > THING THEY DO NOT THINK IS THAT MY "...negative emotions are making
> you
> > sick, or at least greatly factoring into your illness."
> >
> > WRY: CASE IN POINT. Send me my check by pay pal.
> >
> > >
> > > BA G I HAVE A GREAT LOVE FOR PEOPLE, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER A
> LIFETIME
> > OF SELFLESS SERVICE. THIS LOVE IS ALSO FELT AS A POSITIVE EMOTION,
> WHICH
> > SUSTAINS ME THROUGH ALL MY SUFFERINGS. THIS LOVE IS THERE FOR YOU
> AS MUCH
> > AS IT IS FOR MY DAUGHTER OR SON OR ANYONE ELSE. SOMETIMES WHEN I AM
> > CONCERNED FOR SOMEONE, OUT OF LOVE I WILL SPEAK FRANKLY TO THEM.
> SUCH FRANK
> > SPEAKING IS NOT AN ATTACK. IT IS OUT OF SUCH CONCERN FOR YOU THAT I
> WROTE MY
> > PREVIOUS FRANK LETTER TO YOU, AND THAT I AM WRITING THIS LETTER.
> >
> >
> > WRY: The problem is, Bag, material needs to be given in a form in
> which it
> > can be assimilated. If you do not know how to hold the neck of a
> snake, or
> > approach an animal, it will bite you, especially if it is injured.
> It is
> > fortunate for you that I am neither of these, ( but I am holding
> something
> > powerful.)
> >
> > I ALSO TAKE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AS AN EXPRESSION
> OF YOUR
> > GENUINE CONCERN FOR ME, AND THANK YOU FOR IT.
> >
> > WRY: It is not just for you that I said this or that I say
> anything. In
> > fact, I would never say anything like this to an individual, as it
> would
> > only build up resistance.
> >
> > I AM USED TO BEING TOLD THAT I AM SICK BECAUSE OF BAD KARMA,
> >
> > WRY: You have a lot of GRIPES. It seems to be a characteristic of
> your
> > personality and is probably affecting your health. It is also
> probably a
> > part of your defense structure to be sick. Even with organic
> factors,
> > syndromes can develop, and frequently, they do.
> >
> > AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE STRANGERS WHO TELL ME THIS THINK IT IS
> SOMETHING
> > THAT I NEED TO HEAR, OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR YEARS.
> >
> > WRY: Who even cares, but I note here that you have said that you
> have
> > "strangers" who tell you it is your "karma" that you are sick, and
> these
> > "strangers" tell you this "over and over again for years."
> >
> > HOWEVER PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME WELL, AND KNOW MY VOWS, HAVE A
> DIFFERENT VIEW OF
> > MY 'BAD KARMA' SUFFERING, AND THEREFORE DON'T FEEL THE NECESSITY TO
> TELL ME
> > ABOUT IT.
> >
> > WRY: However, there is no point in saying this. This details will
> not take
> > you to your "GOD," You are at a juncture. If you can understand my
> message,
> > your health will improve. There is no "you" in the sense you are
> clinging to
> > it. It is a complex based on thought and memory and in your case,
> the
> > complex is most likely making you sick. My hunch is that you are
> stuffing
> > anger. Don't worry about Thesophists and how they approach material
> from
> > pre-conclusions and reference points. When you stop doing the same,
> maybe
> > others will stop, too. Litigators attract the people they sue just
> like
> > ignorant people attract living masters. Without one, there is not
> the other.
> > What is outside of all of this can heal. This is the point of all
> > monotheism, and a thought of "God" will never bring transendence,
> but only
> > its opposite. Sincerely, Wry
> >
> > >
> > > BEST WISHES,
> > >
> > > BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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