Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00311)

Hi.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@verizon.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:07 AM
Subject: Theos-World Was BA G Defending Others?


> Dear Mr. Wry,
>
> Please excuse the caps in the notes below.

WRY: To me, your caps are a form of agression. I have trouble believing you
need to use them.
>

> BA G/// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and insulting to
> > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you analyzed
> > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or are
> > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > puffed-up offensive manner ?
>
>
> WRY'S RESPONSE TO MY LETTER
> "In any case, you are insulting me by calling me arrogant and insulting.
If
> you think I am such, have compassion for me and show me the right way to
> act."
>
> BA G I BOTH TOLD YOU AND GAVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF THE RIGHT WAY TO
ACT, BY POINTING OUT MY OWN SINCERE APOLOGY FOR A MISTAKE I HAD MADE.

WRY: Telling is not the same as showing. If you keep looking back like
this, you may turn into a pillar of salt (I hope not.) I guess everyone out
here is starting to see our true colors, or, if not, will surely do so after
reading this profound interaction.


>
> WRY "I believe you are lacking a sense of perspective and too wrapped up
in
> yourself and what people think of you. You are busy defending yourself,
whom
> you perceive to have been attacked, but I do not see you out here
defending
> anyone else who has been so called slandered or attacked. Sincerely, Wry"
>
> BA G NO WHERE IN MY LETTER DID I SAY THAT YOU HAD "SLANDERED" ME. I
POINTED OUT YOUR UNWARRANTED REMARKS TO OR ABOUT OTHERS. SEE BELOW.

WRY: Actually, I was referring mainly to your message in which you
threatened to sue someone, and also to all your talk about being slandered
in the past.


>
>
> BA G'S DEFENSE OF OTHERS
>
> ///Why take a cheap shot at them on this site?
>
> //// So now you are debating with which graduate student?
>
> /// Why are you taking such an attitude to this fellow?
>

WRY: I am dumbstruck. My heart goes out to you.


>
> WRY Don't worry about so called slander,
>
> BA G I NEVER SAID THAT YOU SLANDERED ME


WRY: Bag Bag Bag.

>
> BA G Why do you consistantly take such an attiude towards people ?
>
> > /// Many of your posts here are incredibly arrogant and insulting to
> > people. You seem to like to analyze others, but have you analyzed
> > why it is that you consistantly treat people here so badly ? Or are
> > you oblivious to the fact that you often treat people in such a
> > puffed-up offensive manner ?
>
> WRY: This is how I LOVE. You just don't recognize it as such. These words
> can't hurt you anyway. It is just your imagination, compounded by negative
> emotions.
>
>
> BA G >>Or are you just habitually offensive with people
>
>
> BA G Can you discuss ideas with people without insulting them ?
>
>
>
> WRY you are attacking me. Maybe it is my karma to be attacked.
>
>
> BA G >>This letter is not an attack on you.It is a response to observing
your behavior with others for over an month now.

WRY: And my messages are a response to observations. Bag Bag Bag.
>
>
> BA G Why are you so arrogant and insulting to people ? It is unneccessary.
>
> BA G I BELIEVE THAT YOUR APOLOGIES ARE SINCERE, AND THAT YOU HAVE BECOME
VERY CONFUSED BY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. THESE THINGS
HAVE RENDERED YOU PRESENTLY INCAPABLE OF NORMAL HUMAN INTERACTIONS AND
COMMUNICATION AS EVIDENCED BY SO MANY OF YOUR EXCHANGES ON THIS EGROUP. YOU
NEED THE REALITY THERAPY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL HONESTLY TELL YOU WHEN YOU ARE
TALKING (OR WRITING) LIKE A PERSON IN A DELUSIONAL STATE.

WRY: Yeah, Bag, THERAPY..
>
>
> WRY: It is hard Work for something impartial that has no opinion to record
> myself as a physicality, in present time, while "I" (it) is having a
> reaction or whatever is going on, without analyzing it or even naming it.
>
> BA G > MR WRY, THIS KIND OF CONFUSED 'DISASSOCIATIVE' THINKING IS NOT A
SIGN OF SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT, IT IS A SIGN OF METAL OR AFFECTIVE ILLNESS,
OR BEING TERRIBLY CONFUSED BY A PATHOLOGICAL BELIEF SYSTEM.

WRY: This is an EXERCISE called impartial self observation that will
actually have the effect of physically grounding you more. It is similar in
some ways to what Christians call "standing watch," and is not the same as
having an experience of dissassociation, which is an unbalanced state. This
exercise will actually bring you more into balance by harmonizing your
functioning, but I would not recommend anyone who is mentally unstable
trying it. In any case, this exercise is not for most people, even people
who are mentally stable, and it is obviously not for you. I put it out here,
as this list has some special people on it, a few of whom may be able to see
the obvious wisdom and good sense of this simple kind of Work.
>
> WRY: Maybe I am a LIVING MASTER or maybe I am IGNORANT AND SUFFERING and
> this is how I relieve my pain for a moment or two.Maybe I do not even know
> why, or maybe I do, but if I do know, why should I tell you? This question
> is infantile, like tearing the wings off a butterfly to try to find its
> beauty.
>
> BA G THIS KIND OF THINKING AND DESTRUCTIVE IMAGERY IS AN INDICATION THAT
YOU NEED HELP. YOU MAY BE VERY INTELLIGENT AND ACCOMPLISHED, AND A VERY
LOVING PERSON, BUT YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS AS EVIDENCED BY STATEMENTS LIKE
THIS IN YOUR LETTERS.

WRY: Bag, I know you don't realize this, but you need to state some kind of
reasons for what you are saying, Also, bring your salt shaker with you when
you read my material. Ignorant people do not know why they do what they do,
and if a person does know, if he is conscious, he does not let the left hand
know what the right hand is doing. You are a so-called Christian. Isn't
there something about this in your bible? Such analysis as you are
continuously doing will not free you from your fetters, but take you to
straight to HELL. Does this wording suit you better?


>
>
> BA G AS FOR MY OWN PROBLEMS, ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE I HAVE BEEN SURROUNDED
BY HINDUS WHO THINK THAT ALL OF MY PHYSICAL AFFLICTIONS ARE DUE TO MY BAD
KARMA,

WRY: Who even cares? We are all surrounded by people like this.

BUT I HAVE NOT TRIED TO HIDE THAT I AM AFFLICTED ON THIS SITE, WHERE THIS
FACT WILL CERTAINLY BRING ME MORE BAD-KARMA JUDGEMENT FROM THE THEOSOPHICAL
BAD-KARMA DETECTORS.

WRY: Then this is your chance to eat poison. GOD'S CURSES ARE OUR
OPPORTUNITIES. By your acts we will know you, and by my acts, people will
know me.


> FURTHERMORE I HAVE A SON AND DAUGHTER IN THEIR 30s, AND 11 GRANDCHILDREN
AND NUMEROUS FRIENDS WHO DO NOT HESITATE TO TELL ME WHAT MY FAULTS ARE, AND
TO FIND HUMOR IN MY SANNYASI-DOM OR THE OTHER ODDITIES OF LIFE. BUT ONE
THING THEY DO NOT THINK IS THAT MY "...negative emotions are making you
sick, or at least greatly factoring into your illness."

WRY: CASE IN POINT. Send me my check by pay pal.

>
> BA G I HAVE A GREAT LOVE FOR PEOPLE, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER A LIFETIME
OF SELFLESS SERVICE. THIS LOVE IS ALSO FELT AS A POSITIVE EMOTION, WHICH
SUSTAINS ME THROUGH ALL MY SUFFERINGS. THIS LOVE IS THERE FOR YOU AS MUCH
AS IT IS FOR MY DAUGHTER OR SON OR ANYONE ELSE. SOMETIMES WHEN I AM
CONCERNED FOR SOMEONE, OUT OF LOVE I WILL SPEAK FRANKLY TO THEM. SUCH FRANK
SPEAKING IS NOT AN ATTACK. IT IS OUT OF SUCH CONCERN FOR YOU THAT I WROTE MY
PREVIOUS FRANK LETTER TO YOU, AND THAT I AM WRITING THIS LETTER.


WRY: The problem is, Bag, material needs to be given in a form in which it
can be assimilated. If you do not know how to hold the neck of a snake, or
approach an animal, it will bite you, especially if it is injured. It is
fortunate for you that I am neither of these, ( but I am holding something
powerful.)

I ALSO TAKE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AS AN EXPRESSION OF YOUR
GENUINE CONCERN FOR ME, AND THANK YOU FOR IT.

WRY: It is not just for you that I said this or that I say anything. In
fact, I would never say anything like this to an individual, as it would
only build up resistance.

I AM USED TO BEING TOLD THAT I AM SICK BECAUSE OF BAD KARMA,

WRY: You have a lot of GRIPES. It seems to be a characteristic of your
personality and is probably affecting your health. It is also probably a
part of your defense structure to be sick. Even with organic factors,
syndromes can develop, and frequently, they do.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE STRANGERS WHO TELL ME THIS THINK IT IS SOMETHING
THAT I NEED TO HEAR, OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR YEARS.

WRY: Who even cares, but I note here that you have said that you have
"strangers" who tell you it is your "karma" that you are sick, and these
"strangers" tell you this "over and over again for years."

HOWEVER PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME WELL, AND KNOW MY VOWS, HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF
MY 'BAD KARMA' SUFFERING, AND THEREFORE DON'T FEEL THE NECESSITY TO TELL ME
ABOUT IT.

WRY: However, there is no point in saying this. This details will not take
you to your "GOD," You are at a juncture. If you can understand my message,
your health will improve. There is no "you" in the sense you are clinging to
it. It is a complex based on thought and memory and in your case, the
complex is most likely making you sick. My hunch is that you are stuffing
anger. Don't worry about Thesophists and how they approach material from
pre-conclusions and reference points. When you stop doing the same, maybe
others will stop, too. Litigators attract the people they sue just like
ignorant people attract living masters. Without one, there is not the other.
What is outside of all of this can heal. This is the point of all
monotheism, and a thought of "God" will never bring transendence, but only
its opposite. Sincerely, Wry

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> BEST WISHES,
>
> BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI
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