Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00765)

HI Wry and all of you,

Please clarify that statement Wry.
I didn't get it.


from
M. Sufilight...being humble and all...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wry" <wry1111@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: "Location of God"


> You make things too complex. Thinking thinking thinking will deplete
> you. Such a conundrum as stated below is like a genie in a bottle.
> It is always between oneself and ones "God". What is between comes
> out in the conscious ACT as an actice FORCE. This is why the human
> hand is a symbol of Jesus Christ. You people will talk talk talk till
> death comes and gets you with his grinning skull and bones. There is
> no bread-th to this. Will you never stop? Wry
>
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Daniel and all of you,
> >
> > A view:
> > A solution to the below problem could be - if one uses a "mirror"
> on the
> > views on ParaBrahman one might get the idea !
> > Try this posting - from 22nd november 2002.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/9056
> >
> > Here the idea of the mirror and maya comes forward.
> >
> >
> > Here it is again --- changed slightly:
> >
> >
> > Philosophers of all lands and all times have sought to discover the
> truth
> > about God, the objective world and man, as well as their mutual
> > relationship. Maya is the will that causes all three. It is a clear,
> > flawless mirror. When the Sattwic nature is reflected in that
> mirror, God
> > results; when the Rajasic nature is reflected, the Jiva or
> individualised
> > self results. It is ever-anxious to grow, to garb, to survive and
> to secure.
> > When thamasic nature is reflected, matter (the objective world) is
> the
> > result. All three are ParaAtman, but they derive their Reality as
> its
> > reflections. When undergoing reflection they attain different forms
> and
> > combinations of characteristics. the One becomes many; every one of
> the many
> > is Real only because of the One in it. MAYA too is a component of
> the One;
> > by the emphasis on that component, the One transformed Itself into
> many.
> > But the One is ever One.
> >
> >
> > Love is NOT negative.
> > Maya is also known as Universal Mother, Sakthi, Kali, Durga, Aum...
> >
> > Maya - Prakrithi is God's manifestation.
> > Everything has come from God.
> > There is nothing except God.
> > Nature is God's manifestation.
> > The cosmos is the embodiment of God.
> > There is nothing not even an atom in the world without God.
> > God is the immanent power in everything.
> >
> > God and Cosmos are related as Cause and Effect. The relationship is
> > inter-dependent and inseparable.
> > The basic truth of nature is One in the many; that is the key to its
> > understanding.
> > The ONE - in God alone is all flux, all this changing Cosmos,
> established.
> > All that you see in the cosmos - the moving and stationary objects -
> is a
> > manifestation of the ATMA.
> > In the spiritual realm, what you hear at every step is ATMA.
> > What you see is ATMA.
> > What makes you forget is also ATMA !
> > The world is designed to teach man to be one with God.
> > The entire universe originated from sound vibrations.
> > The one indestructible sound OM is Brahman, the Universal Absolute.
> > Everything is Maya, but the TRUTH is shown there.
> >
> >
> > Maya brings trouble, and at the same time protects the disciple of
> God.
> > The clouds seem to be stuck to the sky; so too MAYA (the tendency to
> > conclude that what the senses tell us is true or to project our
> preferences
> > and prejudices on to the world around us) gives us an untrue
> picture of
> > BRAHMAN.
> > It makes us believe, that the world is Real. Its impact warps our
> reasoning
> > process, our sensory impressions and our view on God, on creation,
> and on
> > man. It spreads before us a diversity which tantalises and deceives.
> >
> > Maya flourishes on ignorance and ends with knowledge.
> > The ignorance which prevents and postpones the inquiry into the
> nature of
> > the Atma makes Maya flourish. So Vidya - AtmaVidya spells the doom
> of Maya.
> >
> > Another interesting point is this: It may be argued since Maya
> produces
> > Vidya, Maya is right and proper and deserving respect; but the
> Vidya that
> > araises oout of it is also not permanent. As soon as Avidya is
> destroyed
> > through Vidya, the Vidya too ends ! The tree and the fire, both are
> > destroyed when the fire ends !
> >
> > Love is our nature.
> > Love is all.
> > Everyone must become the embodiment of Love.
> > Love alone makes lige meaningful.
> > Live in Love.
> > When you have LOVE, you practise non-voilence.
> > The ATMA can be known only through LOVE; all claims to the contrary
> are
> > spouriuos and missing the mark.
> > Shower it, and you will be showered in return !
> > Stop sharing Love totally, and there will be no more to share.
> > Develop love by sharing it.
> > Love is the basis for Self-discovery.
> > The end of knoeledge is Love.
> > Love is constant. Only onchanging love that shines brightly in the
> heart is
> > true love.
> > We should have faith in Love which is another form of God.
> >
> > There is only one royal road for the spiritual journey ... LOVE.
> > Love lead you quickly to the Goal.
> > Love is nothing else but Love. --- Ignorance bars your view.
> > Love is the fundamental spiritual discipline.
> > Love wins against all evils.
> > Love is patient when needed.
> > Love your enemies. Treat even the ones you hate as your friends.
> > Love is NOT negative.
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace...or a peace...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...>
> > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:36 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World "Location of God"
> >
> >
> > > In a chapter titled "Location of God" in his book THE COSMIC WOMB,
> > > Arthur W. Osborn comments:
> > >
> > > ". . . when we ask such a question as, 'Does God exist?' we are
> > > virtually implying someone or something OBJECTIVE in the same
> sense
> > > that we as individuals are objective. To be existent is to
> > > objectively real; it is a particular manifestation of a
> > > primal 'isness.' We are therefore back again to the problem of
> > > immanence; and transcendence and immanence, if universal, would be
> > > pantheism."
> > >
> > > "If God exists, therefore, He must represent some Reality having
> > > objectivity RELATIVE to man and, indeed, to the universe. But
> this
> > > poses the problem of reconciling the postulated quality of
> > > universality with the objective implication of being in existence.
> > > As we have noted, universality leads logically to pantheism,
> whereas
> > > existence, with its aspect of objectivity, implies LIMITATION." p.
> > > 57 caps added.
> > >
> > > Daniel H. Caldwell
> > > BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> > > http://hpb.cc
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