Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00358)

I DONT THINK THAT THE PERSONAL TESTIMONIES OF MANY MOLESTED YOUTHS 
ARE RUMORS.

I WOULD NOT HAVE REPEATED MERE RUMORS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. 

--- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
theosophy@a...> wrote:
> Hi all of you,
> 
> Thanks "Bhakti" for your eehm sort of 'kind' answer.
> 
> Try this friendly meant joke and remark:
> You know - I have some days back heard from a friend of mine, that 
a guy
> called something like
> B. A. Goswamilk
> are romoured to spend his time - running smear-campaigns at other 
people and
> organizations.
> Lately his has shifted from NOT ONLY campaigning against Theosophy 
to also
> include a so-called Avatar by the name Sathya Sai Baba in his 
campaigning.
> It is romoured, that his smear campaigns are so wild, that he 
creates quite
> a crowd coming forward testifying - that his smear campaigns are 
the wildest
> they have ever seeen for the last 20 years or so.
> His smear campaigns have earned him a lot of "credentials" which 
shows
> everyone his capeabilities.
> And all those without "credentials" most be quite stupid to think, 
that it
> is not important to have such "credentials". Even the 
spiritual "policemen"
> are amased.
> 
> I have to state, that romours are not a proof !!!
> 
> 
> I have to state the facts:
> I am REALLY - PRAYING FOR THE VICTIMS OF SUCH a smear CHARLATAN AND 
smear
> MOLESTER.
> 
> 
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with a lot of friendly HEALING...and some small sufis 
with true
> Miracles...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> To: <theos-talk@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re.The Mahatma Letters.
> 
> 
> > GREETINGS,
> >
> > I HAVE NOT MET HIM, BUT HAVE KNOWN SOME OF HIS DISCIPLES YEARS 
AGO.
> > ONE YOUNG MAN TOLD ME OF BEING SEXUALLY FONDLED BY HIM
> > FOR 'HEALING'. NOW APPARENTLY NUMEROUS PRESENT YOUTHS AND FORMER
> > MOLESTED YOUTHS HAVE COME FORWARD TELLING OF YEARS PEDOPHILIA
> > COMMITTED BY HIM....CONFIRMING EXACTLY WHAT THE YOUNG MAN TOLD 
ME. I
> > HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD BY HIS DISCIOPLES THAT THEY HAVE WITNESSED HIS
> > SLIGHT-OF-HAND 'MIRACLES'. AT THE WORLD HINDU CONFERENCE AND 
OTHER
> > OCCASIONS OF CLOSE ASSOCIATION WITH HINDU 'MIRACLE' WORKERS, I WAS
> > OFTEN ABLE TO DETECT THEIR TRICKERY. MOST OF IT WORKS BECAUSE OF
> > THEIR SUCCESSFUL ABILITY TO DISTRACT THEIR VIEWERS FROM THE REAL
> > CAUSE OF THE 'MIRACLE'.
> >
> > SPEAKING OF 'MIRACLES', ABOUT A PREVIOUS POST HERE CONCERNING THE
> > LETTER BEHIND THE PICTURE...IF IT HAD A CLOTH OR PAPER BACKING ON 
IT,
> > AS MANY FRAMED PICTURES DO, A RAZOR SLICE COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO
> > CONSEAL THE LETTER, BY SLIPPING IT INSIDE OF THE FRAME, BEHIND THE
> > PICTURE UNDETECTED.
> >
> > PRAYING FOR THE VICTIMS OF SUCH CHARLATANS AND MOLESTERS,
> >
> > BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi Brain and all of you,
> > >
> > > As "credentials" seems to have importance to you I have a 
question
> > to ask a
> > > question - although it is a little offline.
> > >
> > > What "credentials" do you (Brian) think the so-called Avatar 
guru
> > Sathya Sai
> > > Baba from Puttaparthi India has ?
> > > Has his life only been a fake since he left school 14 years 
old ?
> > > Have you ever meet the guy ?
> > > Has anyone on this list ? And what are their comments ?
> > >
> > >
> > > from
> > > M. Sufilight with great fun...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...>
> > > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:46 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re.The Mahatma Letters.
> > >
> > >
> > > > leonmaurer wrote: less and less sense to anyone who can 
THINK.
> > > >
> > > > Brian: An intelligent Theosophists who long left this list
> > although (in
> > > spite
> > > > of him not being on Theos talk) you keep addressing postings 
to
> > him,
> > > > Jerry, wrote me once on the list where he "really" 
is: "talking
> > to Leon
> > > > Maurer is like talking to a brick wall, but a prickly one."
> > > >
> > > > Seeing your post today, I must say Jerry Schueler is right.
> > > >
> > > > As for "credentials", I know they say yours are close to zero.
> > > >
> > > > Bhakti Anada Goswhami , I only know him from his letters, 
made
> > an
> > > > intelligent impression on me. As for his credentials, I 
looked
> > them up ,
> > > > see below.
> > > >
> > > > Reading it reminds me , after he left this list due to 
receiving
> > only
> > > > nitpikkers post , I really should write him and ask to come 
back
> > to write
> > > > the "Mahatma Letter" commentary he mentioned he might write at
> > first.
> > > >
> > > > He lives in India, an before becoming disabled by post-polio-
> > syndrome,
> > > > he lectured in the USA and overseas. He was the Mainland USA
> > > > Delegate to the 1982 academic and religious World Hindu
> > Conference co-
> > > > sponsored by the Governments of Tamil Nadu India and Sri 
Lanka,
> > and
> > > > held at the Summit of Non-Aligned Nations in Sri Lanka.
> > > >
> > > > While still on his college-contracted independent study tour, 
he
> > was
> > > > invited by the Prime Minister of Nepal Nagendra Prasad 
Rijal, to
> > sit on
> > > > the Executive Committee of the World Hindu Organization,
> > > > under the Patronage of King Birendra. And he worked on the
> > > > Organization's Nepal International Zone of Peace and Nuclear 
Non-
> > > > proliferation Non Governmental Organization platforms for the
> > United
> > > > Nations.
> > > >
> > > > He completed the oral presentation of his interdisciplinary
> > extended
> > > > master's degree in the history of religion, comparative 
religion
> > and
> > > > theology in the USA. However, he was hospitalized on a 
respirator
> > > > before he could complete the publication of his Thesis and 
obtain
> > his
> > > > Degree.
> > > >
> > > > In 1993, he was a Sponsor and Presenter at the Centennial 
World
> > > > Parliament of Religions in Chicago, USA. And in 2000, he 
gave a
> > West
> > > > Coast L.A. County Museum Tour and Lecture series on Egyptian,
> > Greek,
> > > > Jewish and Vaishnava connections in the pre-Christian Era. And
> > > > organized an exhibit tour at the L.A. County Museum "Pharaohs 
of
> > the
> > > > Sun" Exhibit.
> > > >
> > > > He was invited to present two papers on the subject of ancient
> > > > Vaishnava and Afro-Helleno-Semitic, Shaivite and Buddhist
> > connections
> > > > at the major World Association for Vedic Studies academic
> > conference
> > > > held at the Stevens Institute of Technology in late 2000, he
> > recieved
> > > > and actual ovation after his presentation, and not a single
> > scholar could
> > > > challenge either his evidence or his conclusions. There was a
> > full-page
> > > > article in the News-India Times about this.
> > > >
> > > > He gave up to a half-hour long, RBC Radio in India on such 
Days
> > and
> > > > Festivals as Maha Kumba Mela, Durga Puja, and Gita Jayanti to
> > hundreds
> > > > of thousands listeners.
> > > >
> > > > But due to polio muscle exhaustion, after his demanding two 
week
> > West
> > > > Coast Tour, he lost his ability to produce a voice for several
> > months. But
> > > > he next do an East Coast tour that began by presenting two 
of his
> > > > papers at the WAVES conference, followed by a two weeks tour.
> > > >
> > > > Last week his personal assistant (his daughter) wrote that it 
is
> > unlikely
> > > > that he will be able to attend the upcoming , World 
Association
> > for Vedic
> > > > Studies, he is currently also not able to do radio programs, 
and
> > suffers
> > > > periodic central vision loss.
> > > >
> > > > But he is not "made up" as you ,leonmaurer@a. claim, he is a 
real
> > > > person.
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9
> > > > --- In theos-talk@y..., leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >Brian : I posted clearly WHY the letters where typed in
> > > > > >all caps, I decided to do the most fair I could think of ,
> > give this
> > > > > obviously expert person, a voice. Without compromising his 
the
> > > > identity. > >Also Ars Inquisitor Daniel C. Caldwell showed 
not to
> > be
> > > > capable to address ANY of the issuis brought up by B.A.G.
> > Meaning one
> > > > must conclude Daniel C. Caldwell must really know he is 
defending
> > a
> > > > cococted fake in case of The Mahatma letters. In any case 
since
> > > > B.A.G .has come forward and identified himself, I have placed
> > two of
> > > > his letters On-line:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/lettersed.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/resp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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