Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00365)

Hi Bakthi and all of you,

Thanks for your answer.
I hold that Personal Testimonies from young people are what they really
are - ONLY ROMOURS at best !
Children today are no all of them saints. They do make up lies.
Let us stick to facts !
Are your facts MORE straight now ?
Blind beliefs lead nowhere even if they are - or seem convenient !

But I think Romours about smear campaigns have to be taken up to what we
could call "consideration" - just like romours concerning the so-called
avatar by the name Sathya Sai Baba --- or romours concerning the theosophist
H. P. Blavatsky.

I agree very much on, that the issue RACISM deserves much more constructive
attention from the Theosophical organizations of today !!!



from
M. Sufilight with facts...and NO blind beliefs...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@verizon.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re.The Mahatma Letters.


> I DONT THINK THAT THE PERSONAL TESTIMONIES OF MANY MOLESTED YOUTHS
> ARE RUMORS.
>
> I WOULD NOT HAVE REPEATED MERE RUMORS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
>
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hi all of you,
> >
> > Thanks "Bhakti" for your eehm sort of 'kind' answer.
> >
> > Try this friendly meant joke and remark:
> > You know - I have some days back heard from a friend of mine, that
> a guy
> > called something like
> > B. A. Goswamilk
> > are romoured to spend his time - running smear-campaigns at other
> people and
> > organizations.
> > Lately his has shifted from NOT ONLY campaigning against Theosophy
> to also
> > include a so-called Avatar by the name Sathya Sai Baba in his
> campaigning.
> > It is romoured, that his smear campaigns are so wild, that he
> creates quite
> > a crowd coming forward testifying - that his smear campaigns are
> the wildest
> > they have ever seeen for the last 20 years or so.
> > His smear campaigns have earned him a lot of "credentials" which
> shows
> > everyone his capeabilities.
> > And all those without "credentials" most be quite stupid to think,
> that it
> > is not important to have such "credentials". Even the
> spiritual "policemen"
> > are amased.
> >
> > I have to state, that romours are not a proof !!!
> >
> >
> > I have to state the facts:
> > I am REALLY - PRAYING FOR THE VICTIMS OF SUCH a smear CHARLATAN AND
> smear
> > MOLESTER.
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with a lot of friendly HEALING...and some small sufis
> with true
> > Miracles...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bhakti Ananda Goswami" <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re.The Mahatma Letters.
> >
> >
> > > GREETINGS,
> > >
> > > I HAVE NOT MET HIM, BUT HAVE KNOWN SOME OF HIS DISCIPLES YEARS
> AGO.
> > > ONE YOUNG MAN TOLD ME OF BEING SEXUALLY FONDLED BY HIM
> > > FOR 'HEALING'. NOW APPARENTLY NUMEROUS PRESENT YOUTHS AND FORMER
> > > MOLESTED YOUTHS HAVE COME FORWARD TELLING OF YEARS PEDOPHILIA
> > > COMMITTED BY HIM....CONFIRMING EXACTLY WHAT THE YOUNG MAN TOLD
> ME. I
> > > HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD BY HIS DISCIOPLES THAT THEY HAVE WITNESSED HIS
> > > SLIGHT-OF-HAND 'MIRACLES'. AT THE WORLD HINDU CONFERENCE AND
> OTHER
> > > OCCASIONS OF CLOSE ASSOCIATION WITH HINDU 'MIRACLE' WORKERS, I WAS
> > > OFTEN ABLE TO DETECT THEIR TRICKERY. MOST OF IT WORKS BECAUSE OF
> > > THEIR SUCCESSFUL ABILITY TO DISTRACT THEIR VIEWERS FROM THE REAL
> > > CAUSE OF THE 'MIRACLE'.
> > >
> > > SPEAKING OF 'MIRACLES', ABOUT A PREVIOUS POST HERE CONCERNING THE
> > > LETTER BEHIND THE PICTURE...IF IT HAD A CLOTH OR PAPER BACKING ON
> IT,
> > > AS MANY FRAMED PICTURES DO, A RAZOR SLICE COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO
> > > CONSEAL THE LETTER, BY SLIPPING IT INSIDE OF THE FRAME, BEHIND THE
> > > PICTURE UNDETECTED.
> > >
> > > PRAYING FOR THE VICTIMS OF SUCH CHARLATANS AND MOLESTERS,
> > >
> > > BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Brain and all of you,
> > > >
> > > > As "credentials" seems to have importance to you I have a
> question
> > > to ask a
> > > > question - although it is a little offline.
> > > >
> > > > What "credentials" do you (Brian) think the so-called Avatar
> guru
> > > Sathya Sai
> > > > Baba from Puttaparthi India has ?
> > > > Has his life only been a fake since he left school 14 years
> old ?
> > > > Have you ever meet the guy ?
> > > > Has anyone on this list ? And what are their comments ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with great fun...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "brianmuehlbach" <brianmuehlbach@y...>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@y...>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Re.The Mahatma Letters.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > leonmaurer wrote: less and less sense to anyone who can
> THINK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian: An intelligent Theosophists who long left this list
> > > although (in
> > > > spite
> > > > > of him not being on Theos talk) you keep addressing postings
> to
> > > him,
> > > > > Jerry, wrote me once on the list where he "really"
> is: "talking
> > > to Leon
> > > > > Maurer is like talking to a brick wall, but a prickly one."
> > > > >
> > > > > Seeing your post today, I must say Jerry Schueler is right.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for "credentials", I know they say yours are close to zero.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bhakti Anada Goswhami , I only know him from his letters,
> made
> > > an
> > > > > intelligent impression on me. As for his credentials, I
> looked
> > > them up ,
> > > > > see below.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reading it reminds me , after he left this list due to
> receiving
> > > only
> > > > > nitpikkers post , I really should write him and ask to come
> back
> > > to write
> > > > > the "Mahatma Letter" commentary he mentioned he might write at
> > > first.
> > > > >
> > > > > He lives in India, an before becoming disabled by post-polio-
> > > syndrome,
> > > > > he lectured in the USA and overseas. He was the Mainland USA
> > > > > Delegate to the 1982 academic and religious World Hindu
> > > Conference co-
> > > > > sponsored by the Governments of Tamil Nadu India and Sri
> Lanka,
> > > and
> > > > > held at the Summit of Non-Aligned Nations in Sri Lanka.
> > > > >
> > > > > While still on his college-contracted independent study tour,
> he
> > > was
> > > > > invited by the Prime Minister of Nepal Nagendra Prasad
> Rijal, to
> > > sit on
> > > > > the Executive Committee of the World Hindu Organization,
> > > > > under the Patronage of King Birendra. And he worked on the
> > > > > Organization's Nepal International Zone of Peace and Nuclear
> Non-
> > > > > proliferation Non Governmental Organization platforms for the
> > > United
> > > > > Nations.
> > > > >
> > > > > He completed the oral presentation of his interdisciplinary
> > > extended
> > > > > master's degree in the history of religion, comparative
> religion
> > > and
> > > > > theology in the USA. However, he was hospitalized on a
> respirator
> > > > > before he could complete the publication of his Thesis and
> obtain
> > > his
> > > > > Degree.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 1993, he was a Sponsor and Presenter at the Centennial
> World
> > > > > Parliament of Religions in Chicago, USA. And in 2000, he
> gave a
> > > West
> > > > > Coast L.A. County Museum Tour and Lecture series on Egyptian,
> > > Greek,
> > > > > Jewish and Vaishnava connections in the pre-Christian Era. And
> > > > > organized an exhibit tour at the L.A. County Museum "Pharaohs
> of
> > > the
> > > > > Sun" Exhibit.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was invited to present two papers on the subject of ancient
> > > > > Vaishnava and Afro-Helleno-Semitic, Shaivite and Buddhist
> > > connections
> > > > > at the major World Association for Vedic Studies academic
> > > conference
> > > > > held at the Stevens Institute of Technology in late 2000, he
> > > recieved
> > > > > and actual ovation after his presentation, and not a single
> > > scholar could
> > > > > challenge either his evidence or his conclusions. There was a
> > > full-page
> > > > > article in the News-India Times about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > He gave up to a half-hour long, RBC Radio in India on such
> Days
> > > and
> > > > > Festivals as Maha Kumba Mela, Durga Puja, and Gita Jayanti to
> > > hundreds
> > > > > of thousands listeners.
> > > > >
> > > > > But due to polio muscle exhaustion, after his demanding two
> week
> > > West
> > > > > Coast Tour, he lost his ability to produce a voice for several
> > > months. But
> > > > > he next do an East Coast tour that began by presenting two
> of his
> > > > > papers at the WAVES conference, followed by a two weeks tour.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last week his personal assistant (his daughter) wrote that it
> is
> > > unlikely
> > > > > that he will be able to attend the upcoming , World
> Association
> > > for Vedic
> > > > > Studies, he is currently also not able to do radio programs,
> and
> > > suffers
> > > > > periodic central vision loss.
> > > > >
> > > > > But he is not "made up" as you ,leonmaurer@a. claim, he is a
> real
> > > > > person.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9
> > > > > --- In theos-talk@y..., leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >Brian : I posted clearly WHY the letters where typed in
> > > > > > >all caps, I decided to do the most fair I could think of ,
> > > give this
> > > > > > obviously expert person, a voice. Without compromising his
> the
> > > > > identity. > >Also Ars Inquisitor Daniel C. Caldwell showed
> not to
> > > be
> > > > > capable to address ANY of the issuis brought up by B.A.G.
> > > Meaning one
> > > > > must conclude Daniel C. Caldwell must really know he is
> defending
> > > a
> > > > > cococted fake in case of The Mahatma letters. In any case
> since
> > > > > B.A.G .has come forward and identified himself, I have placed
> > > two of
> > > > > his letters On-line:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/lettersed.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/resp.html
> > > > >
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