Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00357)

DEAR MR. CALDWELL,

PLEASE ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY MY STATEMENT FOR YOU...


--- In theos-talk@y..., "Daniel H. Caldwell" <comments@b...> wrote:
> Bhakti Ananda Goswami writes:

> "H.P. Blavatsky always assumed Arya meant white as in 'white' race.

HERE I AM REFERING TO THE FACT THAT ARYA WAS AT THAT TIME INTERPRETED 
BY ALL THE EUROPEAN TRANSLATORS OF SANSKRIT AS MEANING 'WHITE' AS 
IN 'WHITE RACE', OR THEIR INTERPRETATION OF 'ARYA' AS 'WHITE TARA'. 

I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYWHERE THAT HPB WAS HATEFUL TOWARDS THE DARK 
RACES. I HAVE SAID SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HORRIFIED AT WHAT WAS 
EVENTAULLY DONE IN THE NAME OF HER MASTERS' 'ROOT RACES' IDEAS.

HER WRITINGS, INCLUDING THE MAHATMA LETTERS, ARE A LARGE BODY OF 
WORK, EVEN IF SHE HAD SUBSTANTIAL HELP, AND THEY CONTAIN MANY 
CONTRADICTIONS. IN THEM SHE / THEY FREQUENTLY SEEM TO GIVE 
CONTRADICTORY TEACHINGS ON THE SAME SUBJECT. I HAVE COLLECTED ANTI-
RACE-OPPRESSION STATEMENTS FROM HER, AND EVEN SENT A VERY IMPRESSIVE 
ONE TO BRIAN. SO I AM NOT ON A WITCH-HUNT AGAINST HER. IN FACT, IN 
ONE OF MY LETTERS TO BRIAN, I LIKENED HER BENEVOLENT BUT RACIST 
ATTITUDE TO THAT OF SOME OF MY SLAVE-KEEPING ANCESTORS. I WILL POST 
THAT NOTE HERE. 

HPB WAS A BRILLIANT AND COMPLEX WOMEN, AND THE THEOSOPHICAL WRITINGS 
MIX AND MERGE AND CONTRADICT IN TURN MANY ATTITUDES AND IDEAS FROM A 
WIDE VARIETY OF THOUGHT-SYSTEMS. THUS ONE CAN FIND BOTH RACIST AND 
ANTI-OPRESSION AND NON-RACIST STATEMENTS IN THE WRITINGS. WHAT IS 
THE NEED TO SORT THEM FOR RACIST STATEMENTS, EXCEPT THAT THESE AND 
THEIR INFLUENCE ON HISTORY IS BEING DENIED ? THEN THOSE OF YOU WHO 
LOVE HPB AND WANT TO DEFEND HER, WILL SORT THE LETTERS LOOKING FOR 
THE TIMES WHEN SHE EXPRSESSED NOBEL SENTIMENTS AND HIGH IDEALS. BOTH 
ARE REAL. SHE WAS NOT A MONSTER. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT SHE WANTED 
TO DO HARM TO ANY PERSON OF ANY COLOR ! 

AS LONG AS THE RACISM IN THE WRITINGS IS BEING DENIED AND CONTINUES 
TO HAVE A PATHOLOGICAL EFFECT ON THE HUMAN RACE, THEN SOMEONE WILL 
HAVE TO KEEP POINTING THIS OUT. 
LET THE DEFENDERS OF HPB HELP TO REMOVE THE THORN FROM HUMANITY'S 
FLESH, AND PEOPLE WILL STOP NEEDING TO DO WHAT BRIAN AND I ARE 
DOING. THE WRITINGS ARE STILL A PRIMARY SOURCE FOR RACISTS WORLD 
WIDE, AND NO MATTER HOW BENEVOLENT THE MEMBERS ON THIS SITE ARE, THAT 
FACT IS NOT CHANGED. FOR THEOSOPHISTS TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THIS 
PATHOLOGICAL RACE THEORY IS NAIVE AND SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE AT 
BEST. THE WHOLE ROOT-RACES IDEA IS RACIST. IT HAS HAD A PROFOUNDLY 
DESTRUCTIVE EFFECT IN HUMAN EXPERIANCE, AND TO DENY THIS IS SIMPLY 
STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. IT DOES NOTHING TO REDEEM HPB. I AM 
NOT ACCUZING HER OF THE HOLOCAUST ! I DON'T THINK SHE MASTER-MINDED 
THE SINHALESE GENOCIDAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE TAMIL BLACKS IN SRI 
LANKA ! BUT THE NATURE OF IDEAS IS THAT WHEN THEY GET TURNED LOOSE 
IN THE WORLD, THEY FLOW LIKE MOLTEN LEAD TO THE LOWEST POINTS AND 
SETTLE THERE. 

PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY DO WITH INFORMATION. IF IDEAS 
WORK THEIR WAY OUT THROUGH HUMAN EXPERIANCE MALEVOLENTLY, THEN THOSE 
IDEAS NEED TO BE CLOSELY EXAMINED AND CORRECTED IF POSSIBLE. 

> What difference does it make if she used the term 'white or the 
> term 'Aryan,' when to her they meant the same thing? 

THE NEXT STATEMENT IS ABOUT THE TERM 'ARYA / ARYAN' IN THE CONTEXT OF 
ARYANISM IN GENERAL. THUS I MENTION RELATED TERMS. 

Whether they are 
> called the Aryan or White Brotherhood or Aryan or White Ascended 
> Masters or 'Mastered Beings' (currently popular New Age term) makes 
> no difference if Arayan means white race. The whole root races idea 
> is based on the erroneous premise that Arya in the Sanskrit 
> literatures means 'white race.'"

MY CHALLENGE TO ALL RACIST ARYANISTS IS THAT THE TERM ARYA / ARYAN 
WAS NOT FROM THE ROOT AR MEANING 'WHITE', BUT FROM THE DEITY NAME 
HAR, AS IN HARI (KRISHNA-VISHNU),
HARA (SHIVA),
HVARE(DEITY OF THE ZEND AVESTA, ZOROASTRIANISM ETC. ),
HRIH (AMITABHA-LOKESVARA), 
ILU (SUPREME LORD OF SUMER), 
URI, ORI ETC OF THE EASTERN SEMITES,
ARI, ALI, ELI OF THE WESTERN SEMITES,
HURRI OF THE HURRIANS
HELI OF THE HELLENES
HERI OF THE HRYNS (EGYPTIANS)
OLU OF THE NIGER FAMILY OF LANGUGES(SOURCE OF THE ORISHA)
SOLE OF THE ROMANS
ETC. 

THUS THE 'PATRONYMIC' OF ALL OF THESE SUPREME SO-CALLED 'SOLAR 
MONOTHEISM GODS' WAS A COGNATE OF ARYA OR ARYAN, LIKE HEBREW ELYM, 
HURRIAN, HARIJANA, SURA GANA, HARYANA, HVARENA, HELLEN, SOLANA, ETC., 
WITH THE HEBREW / SANSKRIT SUFFIX JN / YN / YM ETC. MEANING 'OF-FROM 
OR -RELATED-TO' THE DEITY HARI, HARA ETC. 

NOTHING TO DO WITH 'WHITE'. 

'WHITE' ARYAN INVASION THEORY ALL NONSENSE. 

> Quoted from:
> http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~muehleb9/lettersed.html
> 
> In the above statement, Goswami does NOT give any references to 
HPB's 
> writings where we could find support for his statements.
> 
> As regards Goswami's reference to "Aryan or White Brotherhood or 
> Aryan or White Ascended Masters", where in HPB's writings does she 
> use these terms?
> 
> I also append BELOW all the entries from THE SECRET DOCTRINE under 
> the term "Aryan(s) Race."
> 
> Daniel H. Caldwell
> BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> ------------------------------------------------- 
> 
> Aryan(s) Race. See also Root-Race -- Fifth
> 
> adept astronomers of II 699 
> adepts I vii; II 495 
> adepts vs Atlantean sorcerers II 384, 495 
> allegories re II 82, 381, 383, 495, 576 
> ancestors of Egyptians II 328 
> Arabs are later II 200 
> Arabs in Afghanistan II 200 &n 
> Asiatics saw last of giant Atlanteans II 433 
> Atlanteans preceded II 144, 352 
> Atlanteans taught II 426 
> born in the north II 768 
> branches of II 106 
> bull symbolizes II 533 
> called first speaking race Ad-i II 452 
> Carlyle q on II 470 
> cataclysm will destroy II 445 
> colonies fr Atlantis II 266n 
> common religion before separation I xxix 
> cosmogony II 23, 241, 500, 536, 603 
> decimal system I 360-2 
> descend fr yellow Adams II 426 
> dvijas II 469 
> early, Atlantean II 371 &n, 433n, 743 
> early history of II 328, 395, 425-9, 609, 743, 768-9 
> era, figures given II 68n 
> Europeans & Christians latest I 425 
> fifth race incorrectly called II 433-4 
> Fohat key to, religions I 673 
> height of, after third subrace II 753 
> Hindu, navigators before Phoen II 406 
> Hindu, nearly one million years old II 470-1 
> influence on Babylonian myth II 130 
> initiated, view of Moon I 396 
> Kabbala came fr I 376 
> kali-yuga of I 644-5; II 147n 
> knew mysteries of sound, color I 534 
> knew of Earth's rotation II 154-5 
> languages II 199-200 &nn 
> magi emigrate to Sagdiani II 356 
> many colors of II 249-50 
> migrated to India II 609 
> mixed w seventh subrace Atlanteans II 743 
> Mysteries based on number ten II 603 
> Negroes, Mongols, & II 607n 
> neo-, of postdiluvian age II 356 
> Neolithic man &, invasion II 716n, 741 
> Peris or Izeds were II 394 
> philosophy older than Egyptian I 387 
> Rama first divine king of II 495 
> rel concepts not just physiological II 526 
> root-race & fifth continent II 8, 10 
> second subrace of, built menhirs II 750 
> Semitic &, religion I 115n, 382-3, 444, 655; II 128, 142n, 200 &n 
> separated two - three million years ago II 425 
> sevenfold classification w II 34, 142n, 614 
> spiritual ancestors of II 165-6n, 31 
> spiritually higher than Greeks II 158 
> swastica mystical conception of II 99-100 
> symbols free of impure thought I 382-3 
> taught emanation, not creation II 54 
> tribes conquered Egypt II 746 
> Trojan ancestors were II 101 
> Veda theogony of II 450 
> war w Atlanteans II 384, 395, 495, 776 
> Western, in kali-yuga I 644-5 
> wisdom II 449-51 
> woman's status in early I 382 
> zodiac fr Sons of Yoga II 436n