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Re: Theos-World re to Leon/Gerald . . .

Nov 14, 2002 07:49 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen

Hi Leon and all of you,

A friendly email...
I understand Leon, that you are a Salesman or a capitalist too, right ?
So how much does your book really cost ?

These questions are meant as a spiritual uplift!
No answers are needed !

M. Sufilgiht with a friendly smile...

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Subject: Re: Theos-World re to Leon/Gerald . . .

> In a message dated 11/11/02 11:16:16 PM, writes:
> >Quoting from Dallas's post:
> >
> ><<"It is time Theosophy should enter the arena,." wrote
> >the Great Master in a letter in 1881 "For our doctrines to
> >practically react on the so-called moral code, or the ideas
> >of truthfulness, purity, self-denial, charity, etc., we have
> >to preach and popularize a knowledge of Theosophy." [T
> >A & N. p. 189.]>>
> >
> >"Popularize" in that context brought to mind Leon's
> >models, among other things. That is, I tend to agree with
> >Leon that, by scientizing certain aspects of Theosophy,
> >(by using a popular language of the age), one might reach
> >those for whom other kinds of introductions to
> >Theosophic issues might be far less applealing.
> That's right.
> >On Theos-1, Gerald wrote:
> >
> >((((Mauri, I shouldn't say anything in response to Leon,
> >who is not even here to defend himself. But I feel the
> >need to at least say the following:
> >
> ><<<Leon wrote: <<Have you any idea why the SD was
> >subtitled, "A Synthesis of Science, Religion and
> >Philosophy?" >>>
> >
> >My response to this question is:
> >
> >Science stands for intellectual knowledge
> >Religion stands for faith Philosophy stands for
> >experiential knowledge
> >
> >All three are necessary lest Theosophy "be nothing more
> >than another religious dogma destined to die on the
> >vine?" Emphasizing intellectual knowledge alone will kill
> >Theosophy in only a few generations. It is already doing
> >so, and Theosophy is today in its last gasp because of its
> >over-emphasis on intellectualism. The "head doctrine" is
> >intellectual knowledge, the "heart doctrine" is
> >experiential knowledge and the one will get us nowhere
> >without the other. >>>)))))))
> All I can say in response to this is; "All that goes without saying."
> But, if being a well rounded theosophist requires a balance of all three
> aspects -- I haven't found one single teacher (in more than 50 years of
> searching) who could show me (starting from my own position on the path
> my own propensities for learning) the perfect way to understand and
> each direction in this modern age. So I was forced to learn the "head
> doctrine" from one teacher, the "heart doctrine" from another, and then
> to find out for myself the rest of the "intellectual" and "experiential"
> knowledge I needed to gain the "faith" that when I arrived at "self
> realization" or oneness with the Supreme Spirit, I would have the ability
> carry out the Bodhisattva work without having to ask anyone else what
> was to do or say to any person in accordance with his/her degree of
> understanding, his/her current state of consciousness, and his/her
> psychological, emotional, physical and/or spiritual needs. But this
> all that difficult.
> Amazingly, I was lucky enough to find out about 30 years ago that all
> separate teachers were speaking to me directly through HPB. All I had to
> was hear them, study, concentrate, and follow their suggested paths of
> meditation (they offered me Patanjali and the Voice of the Silence to
> practice) -- while learning to supplement their teachings with the new
> knowledge of modern sciences and technologies (which governs our present
> lives) that HPB didn't have access to... And, as she advised me
directly --
> to "Write [my] own Secret Doctrine in the language of [my] age." So, after
> few years of such study and meditation -- we were able to write, in one
> afternoom, the entire ABC theory and discourse (which, several years later
> was posted on my web site) -- and correlate it with all the head and heart
> doctrines of theosophy that are thoroughly explained in the original SD
> all its ancient scriptural references) and other writings of HPB and the
> Masters. So, what more (at least for me) was there to know or continue to
> practice?
> Think about this! Isn't it amazing how HPB managed to teach the heart
> doctrine while expounding the head doctrine, and managed to teach the head
> doctrine while expounding the heart doctrine? It's also amazing to me
> outside of a few theosophical teachers I've come across at the United
> of Theosophists over the past 50 odd years, I haven't found another who
> match HPB's ability to do that. And, even then, none of them had enough
> scientific knowledge to fulfill my need to get into dialogues with trained
> scientists in many disciplines, and make my case for theosophy in their
> jargon.
> Thus, as it is now, we (whenever I need the right words to explain a
> point, I ask HPB ;-) do not teach any one method -- since we can only
> questions in the same framework that they are asked. So, for the
> scientifically minded, we can lead them to the theosophical synthesis
> their interest in scientific and technical understandings. For the
> philosophically minded, we lead them there through their interest in
> about the nature of things and their ontology's. For the religious
> we can show them the proper path of meditative practices to awaken their
> inner understanding of the true nature of reality and their position in
> And for all of them, while we give them exactly what they ask for, we
> to show them the questions to ask themselves and, thereby, turn them
> whatever they are missing in the other directions of theosophical
> understanding and practice.
> >Leon wrote: <<Why don't you tell us what you think
> >theosophy really is "more "realistically about"? >>
> >
> >As I see it, there would seem not to be any solution, or
> >"more realistic approach to Theosophy," that by-passes
> >anything that's relevant to a broader and lasting
> >understanding of Theosophy. In other words (?),
> >regardless of whichever doctrine or approach one might
> >be inclined to follow, if that approach is not wisely
> >enough balanced with aspects of intellect, faith, and
> >experience, the result might not be particularly
> >representative of "Theosophic progress" . . . I'm making
> >a "general comment," here, and not accusing anybody of
> >not being wise enough. We all seem to be "wise enough"
> >in our various "own ways," basically, often times,
> >but/"but" . . .
> Yes. But . . . What? Studying theosophy has nothing to do with results.
> One either needs to know, or not -- depending on where one stands on the
> to enlightenment, and what the confusion is in one's mind. Wisdom is
> what one needs to know or do. And that has to be left for individual
> Each of us is on a different level of understanding and openness to new
> ideas. So, theosophy is as theosophy does. That's all there is to it.
> you need the head doctrine to do better as a theosophist, then that is
> you direct your questions and your studies toward. If you need to devote
> yourself to a higher power or principle, then that is the direction of
> search. That's why it says in the Declaration of the United Lodge of
> Theosophists; "It regards as Theosophists all those in the true service of
> Humanity" ... And, "Welcomes . . . all those . . . who desire to fit
> themselves, by study and otherwise, to be the better able to help and
> others" It's that "doing" (based on one's "knowing") that makes one a
> successful theosophist. And what we can learn intellectually
> and philosophically) and religiously practice -- is what we need in order
> make that action the best we possibly can do at the level we are presently
> at. Progress comes from just that -- without having to think about
> anything for oneself.
> Practically, positively and hopefully,
> >Speculatively,
> >Mauri
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