Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00218)

Steve we are not in disagreement but your responses make it sound as 
if we are. Cut it out....just kidding....

Netemara

Thanks for the response.

But to put light and sound into play that IS creating an illusion. 
That is all I am talking about. To merge with Universal Mind is in 
the Now where there is no time, but there is also no sound, light, 
color or action, or even space.

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-- In theos-talk@y..., "Steve Stubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@y..., "netemara888" <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> > That makes sense. The same method, different name. And BTW this 
was 
> > spoken of by Charan and other masters as being THE MOST difficult 
> of 
> > spiritual practices
> 
> Why? I find that the part of my mind that creates the mental image 
> tires quickly, for which reason I prefer to chant the Babaji 
mantra. 
> But the only thing anyone should find difficult is to maintain the 
> dogged determination to stay with the practice and never give up 
> despite the lack of results in the very beginning.
> 
> Most people will be derailed by little tricks their minds will play 
> on them for the purpose of dissuading them. Once you recognize 
these 
> for what they really are, they are easily ignored and soon 
disappear.
> 
> > But it is still YOUR creation. It is still YOUR illusion.
> 
> I don't think so. This is one technique for achieving the Higher 
> Self connection. Once the connection is established, the Higher 
Self 
> dispenses wisdom that is far beyond my capacity, so it makes no 
sense 
> to think that it is a mere illusion created by the mortal part of 
> us. The mortal part of us also cannot see the future, change 
> reality, etc.
> 
> > My question then: does this difficultly arise because once this 
has 
> > been accomplished the disciple has become the master or is about 
to 
> > embark on the ladder and ascend the sounds as HPB describes 
in "The 
> > Voice of the Silence"?
> 
> What difficulty? You are ascending a "ladder" which comprises 
seven 
> steps and leads from kama-manas to buddhi-manas.
> 
> > It is YOU, I AM. You are the object of your search.
> 
> But that does not mean buddhi-manas is illusion. As the Upanishad 
> says, "lead me from the unreal to the Real." If you have 
established 
> the contact for real (and the buddhi-manas will establish its bona 
> fides by revealing the future, etc., which an illusion could not 
do) 
> you have left illusion behind and are finally approaching reality.